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9/28/19 10:24 P

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And let's not forget their states benefited and tilted regulations in their favor.

Fossil fuels, anyone?

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9/28/19 10:22 P

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Because then they would have "a lot of s'plain' to do, Loocie."

Meaning how the heck did they foist all this on the American public in the first place?

We deserved better.

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9/28/19 9:44 P

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Sorry. Meant NOT condemning him. It’s insane they are still afraid of him.

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9/28/19 7:11 P

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Because they can now with impunity?

EDIT: I actually liked the original thought that this was in answer to: That the ones leaving NOW condemn him.

Wasn't Flake the one dodging questions, trying to escape in an elevator, repeatedly banging the button for the door to close?

How do YOU spell hypocrite??

Edited by: NUMD97 at: 9/28/2019 (22:28)
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Why are those that have announced they are leaving NOT condemning him. SMH

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9/28/19 9:59 A

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I am now on information overload regarding this president and anything about him.

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9/28/19 7:19 A

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I was just going to add that I looked further and former Senator Flake said 35 Republicans would vote for impeachment if the vote were private. Still not nearly enough and shows what cowards they are needing a "private" tally.

The tally for Senate removal is 67. My question then is what occurs after the Senate removes an unfit president from office? Does it follow that the courts will press for criminal charges be weighed against him? And then I started thinking what is Letitia James doing these days? She is the new attorney general for New York State and promised to pursue criminal charges against Trump for all the corrupt dealings he did in the state before he was elected president.

It is a pretty sorry state of affairs, needless to say, when we can elect such a corrupt individual to the highest office in the land.

Edited by: NUMD97 at: 9/28/2019 (08:45)
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This is one of the articles to which I referred. Not that USA Today is great journalism - but I found Flake's comment to be interesting.

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WASHINGTON — Former Republican Senator Jeff Flake said that he thinks at least 35 Republican senators would vote for President Donald Trump to be removed from office if they could vote in private.

Speaking at the 2019 Texas Tribune Festival Thursday, Flake was responding to comments made by Republican political consultant Mike Murphy on MSNBC who said that if there was a secret vote, at least 30 GOP Senators would back impeachment.

“That's not true. There would be at least 35," Flake said.

Once an officeholder has been impeached, the proceedings shift to the Senate, which holds a trial and decides whether to convict the accused and remove him or her from office.

Calls for an official impeachment inquiry came to fruition Tuesday by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi over the president's efforts to get Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden and his son, Hunter.

During an interview with NPR, the Arizona Republican elaborated on his comments, continuing that “anybody who has sat through two years, as I have, of Republican luncheons realizes that there's not a lot of love for the president. There's a lot of fear of what it means to go against the president, but most Republican senators would not like to be dealing with this for another year or another five years.”

A two-thirds majority, or 67 senators, is needed to convict and remove the accused from office. Republicans currently hold the majority. For the President to be removed from office by the Senate with impeachment, at least 20 Republicans would need to join the Democrats and independents

Flake was one of the President’s most visible GOP critics in the Senate and announced he wouldn’t be seeking re-election in 2017, citing nastiness of Trump-era politics.

“That was a pretty damning transcript,” Flake said of the summary of the July 25th phone call between Trump and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky released Wednesday. “That was not anything you want your president to be doing. I think we need to wait for the investigation to conclude and wait for likely testimony from the whistleblower him or herself before drawing conclusions. But it seems the House is already moving ahead.”

He stated that he was glad "to see the (House) Intel Committee have the hearing yesterday," elaborating that he doesn't want to see impeachment in such a divided country, and that he'd rather see the President defeated the "old fashioned way at the ballot box."

Flake reinforced Trump's power of the Senate GOP, stating that "this is the president's party without a doubt. And to win a Republican primary in just about every state, you've got to be with the president. And there's a lot of fear that if you aren't, you'll get primaried.”

Flake also said that he has "not ruled out" voting for a Democrat over Trump, hoping that the "Democrats nominate somebody who has a broad appeal."

"Dance as if no one is watching."


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And this 36 minutes ago:

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi
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I was reading an article earlier today that said in private conversations, quite a few Republicans in Congress have said that they'd vote for impeachment if the vote is taken on paper. They will not cross Trump publicly, but will do so in private.

Gives me hope.

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9/27/19 3:10 P

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Spark Conservatives / Republicans, Sandy. Search under Community —= Spark Teams —-= Conservatives / Republicans

There’s still a good chance Trump will be reelected, sad to say.

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"Next door here on SP"? Where's that?

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You are wrong: We are not that far apart.

1. Of course the issue is about the
FUTURE election not the PAST one. Geez, give us a little credit.

2. Yes, the Republicans are not happy with him, but they are loathe to simply get rid of him. Of course they are looking out for their own self interests.

3. Totally disagree. The people don’t care. Remember Carville’s refrain: “It’s about the economy, stupid.” That has not changed. If you want to get a whiff of what the Republican populace is thinking, look no further than next door right here on SP. Even now they echo Trump’s refrain of disbelief: It’s a “witch hunt.”

Wishful thinking will not derail his reelection no matter how much we may want it.

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I've been paying rapt attention but I have a differing view from you all. Far different. In a nutshell:

1. Trump is toast. Ukraine is about FUTURE election meddling, making it different than Mueller (PAST election meddling) and much more important.

2. Trump is no Republican in the final analysis. GOPers want to be rid of him, provided it does not cost them political capital. Safety in numbers. Watch the Senate vote.

3. Even if the Senate does not vote to remove him, he'll be so politically crippled so as to have lost the independents that helped him win in 2016.

Pelosi is no dummy. We would not be here if there was no "there", there.

"Some day we will look back on this, and it will all seem funny" - Bruce Springsteen (The real BOSS, as opposed to me.)





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Keep in mind, too, that the Nixon Republicans thought (I believe) that they could ride it out. Until the evidence of a coverup was so blatant it could not be denied. Goldwater went to tell Nixon it was over. The senators then were not going to sacrifice their political lives to save a corrupt politician. Not only would Nixon have been impeached, he would have been convicted by the Senate and removed from office. This was the reason for Nixon’s resignation. And to “heal” the nation, Ford pardoned him, something I will never forgive him for.

If a coverup by Trump’s cronies can be proved, this, indeed, could be the end.

Let’s sit back and see if history repeats. Popcorn anyone?

Edited by: NUMD97 at: 9/27/2019 (16:14)
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Sandy, some republicans are gleeful figuring that the hearing would also show all the Dems misdeeds and cause them to lose seats. Gonna be a wild ride if McConnell doesn’t break the law on it too.

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The Republicans are dug in, so he will survive. However, the inquiry will still serve its purpose allowing facts to come to light that would otherwise have remained hidden.

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9/27/19 6:21 A

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will finish reading the cnn article when I get home from work.

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You know we just had to comment on a stunning week of developments, right? The question in front of us now is, can Trump survive the impeachment investigation? (As it stands now, most likely.) And then the second question: Can he survive the 2020 election and be reelected? (Still up in the air.)

I always marvel at how history repeats itself. Here is a great opinion piece from CNN (leave aside the station's strong bias), about the nature of hubris:

www.cnn.com/2019/09/26/opinions/impe
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