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5/9/09 1:22 P

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Fairyghost - I think you are absolutely right about WoW being a completely different kettle of fish. It's very easy to "lose track of (your) life" in that game.

Anyone who has taken basic Psychology classes can see that there are some pretty tricky things going on with WoW. Even if you don't have an addictive personality, it can cause you troubles.

Just for the record, I love Wow. I have three lvl 80s and one up-and-coming lvl 64 priest...but at the same time I recognize that playing it as much as I have in the past is unhealthy.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. Everything in "moderation." It's a good rule for adults as well as teens. It's a good rule for games, food, exercise, TV, you name it.

Habit is habit and not to be flung out of the window by any man, but coaxed downstairs a step at a time.



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5/9/09 10:50 A

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"Some people just have some miswiring somewhere. If they were not addicted to the game, then they would find something else to be addicted to whither drugs, gambling, gangs, whatever. The same person neglecting their kids for a game, would be the same person neglecting their kids while glued to the tv."

I have to disagree with this. I don't have much of an addictive personality. I've smoked, drank, done drugs, quit drugs & alcohol with no trouble at all. (Quitting smoking was the hardest though).

I can watch TV or not, I've had favorite programs, didn't think twice if something else came up & I had to miss them. I've loved games all my life- whether it was board games, card games, the Atari 5200, Nintendo, then on to PC games- and a vast array of other sorts.

Then along comes World of Warcraft. No, I don't neglect my kid for it, but I have spent hours longer than intended on raids, I've scheduled vacations around expansion release dates, scheduled plans around in game events. I can easily see how one could lose track of their life if they don't keep their focus.

I think it's a good thing for some kids, but in moderation and with close supervision. Teens especially, if they really want to succeed in the game will HAVE to learn teamwork, strategy, economics, mature social interaction. The ones that don't, earn reputations and aren't welcomed in the better guilds. If they're properly supervised, they also must learn to manage their time and behavior so you let them keep playing. My son is learning that part already. He gets up & takes a 5-minute break if he notices he's getting frustrated, because he knows if he doesn't, he's done playing.

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There is a difference between having a thick/thin skin and having something being good/bad for you. Just because you can handle someone harassing you does not mean that harassment is good for you.

The internet/game addiction thing now (eq, wow, im sure others fall into that accusation now too) is similar to the D&D issue from the past. My husband grew up playing D&D and can remember being told it was satanic and the after school tv specials about how "bad" playing D&D is. Who knew playing a game with friends instead of going out partying was up there with teen pregnancy, drug/alchohol abuse, gangs, and sexual abuse.

Its not the games, its not the internet. Its the person. Some people just have some miswiring somewhere. If they were not addicted to the game, then they would find something else to be addicted to whither drugs, gambling, gangs, whatever. The same person neglecting their kids for a game, would be the same person neglecting their kids while glued to the tv.

If anything I think the games are wonderful assuming you manage your priorities. Whither its the online ones or the pen and paper ones. It teaches us interaction with others (even if its not on a real face to face), teaches the value of money and marketing, problem solving skills, and especially in the pen and paper games, a lot of creativity. The games have a lot of opportunities for *willing* learning and interaction, yet watching tv is an acceptible practice while playing games is frowned upon. Sure there are educational programs, but how many kids/adults willingly watch those rather than entertainment programs?

Ive heard that there have actually been more than one disserations based on the evolution of the market place or communties in games, especially like with everquest where each server developed its own unique server wide community as long as it didnt conflict with official rules. I played on the Rathe which was the server that developed the rotation system and apparently a friendlier community than those that developed first come first serve communities.

Not completely off topic. I think kids could learn a lot playing games, and probably learn more (ok good and bad things) when playing with others who have more experience.

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5/8/09 10:54 P

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I have a "forty something" older sister who is addicted to the internet. She sits in front of the computer all day, chatting, gaming, living in a digital world. When someone slights her in that world, she is DEVASTATED. She over-reacts big time! There is much crying and gnashing of teeth. (Trust me, the reaction is completely out of proportion.)

I have a brother-in-law that quit his job, stopped paying his bills, and eventually ended up living in my Grandmother's garage because he couldn't get away from WoW.

Not all adults are equipped with a thick skin or common sense. At the same time, I know several teens (for example my nephew) who have an amazing ability to cope with the hardships of life and laugh off the insults that get thrown their way. (My nephew thinks it's hilarious when he gets flamed.)

As a teen, I had a VERY clear sense of the good and bad things in life. Growing up was tough. People were mean. Life wasn't fair. All of that made me stronger. It was hard to get through that part of my life...and I had one friend who didn't make it, because it was too hard for him. I think of him all the time. It was RL that overwhelmed him. His suicide still haunts me 20 years later.

If we shield our teens from the internet, will we then protect them from RL as well? As I said in my previous post, RL is a scary and dangerous place.

Edited by: CLEOTHEMUSE at: 5/8/2009 (22:58)
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5/8/09 10:02 A

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Great comments Orion! This is most obvious with, say, cartoons and kids - I have no problem watching most cartoons as as adult, but I'll only let my kids watch certain ones. If it turns out they have nightmares, or act too wild, that cartoon goes away.

I met a woman when I was a teenager who wouldn't let her kids watch Saturday morning cartoons. They just got too wild, and hit too much, etc. Instead, it was PBS for them - whatever kids stuff PBS had on Sat morning. She was great - she watched over her kids, doing what was good for her, and yet didn't scream at the top of her lungs that because her kids couldn't handle it, everyone's should not be exposed (bad censorship, bad!).

Another view.



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Responding to the 'not good for kids, why would it be good for adults' comment- I'm sure some of you may have heard this story when it happened...

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312018,
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As an adult, I have come across negative comments, constructive criticism, flaming, etc (whether from work, family, friends, etc), but because of my age, I don't pay attention to those comments because I understand that some people are just downright pricks and move on.

A growing teen, who has not been exposed to good and bad things of social life, who really has little to no experience in the psychology of interactivity, co workers, social groups, etc...now entering a place like myspace can be very overwhelming.

Now lets be realistic, if you applied the story and the victim was 30 years old, would the story have ended the same way? I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't let someone else's comments make that much of an effect on me, someone I didn't even know. If your child had the same conditions (depression, on prescription drugs, etc) would you let them participate on myspace?

Is no surprise that adults will react differently to certain situations because of their past experiences, something a teen lacks. This is why I think that certain things are not appropriate for certain teens, they just haven't developed the needed 'thick skin' to handle the pressures of online communities, I would assume they would have enough at school already.

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The not good for adults comments - I agree with that, sort of. I mean, I thought it was interesting that I saw a kids show - Dino Squad - about not having your avatar being a photo of you, not posting address, etc., then I joined a meet up group - and pretty much everybody had their photo up, and connections to their address, etc - and let's not even go into Facebook! I'm not 100% myself, but I think it IS an interesting thought...



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My take on kids playing MMO's?

Well the first thing that comes to mind is.. (if we had high speed and not dial-up!!) I would have LOVED to play wow as a kid/teen, and I would have been pretty upset if my parents wouldn't let me. Keep in mind, I was pretty mature for my age. I know what *I* will do when I have kids will be, to give them the option to play, when *I* think they're old/mature enough to handle the content. I also really like the idea of age-based servers. However, until the kid is.. oh above 15 I would want to play with them.

I'm not sure what parental controls are available, but I'm sure by the time I have teenagers (I'm only 23) that things will have changed a lot!




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"(...And if we say it's NOT good for them, then how can we say it's ok for us to play?)"

Good comment. And applicable to many things. Thats something my grandparents raised my sister and I with, there were plenty of things that were not good for us (like sodas, HBO, sitting around idly) but my grandparents showed a good example and did not do those things either. I may not always agree with their ideas of good/bad, but I have to say they always stood by their ideals and were never hypocrits about it.


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5/6/09 10:35 P

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This is my first time posting on the team forum...and I'm so happy to see a Girl Gamer team! Yay!

(Now back to the topic.)

Someone earlier in the thread was talking about being a kid in the Eighties...and how it was different back then. I totally agree. My mom used to shoo us out of the house and we had to play outside all day with no grown-ups watching over us. We did scary, dangerous things, and there were people out there who meant us harm. RL is full of stuff that kids "shouldn't" see...but they do anyway...and if they don't they turn out all...weird.

WoW (and other online games) are dangerous and full of stuff kids "shouldn't" see. Which makes me wonder if it's sort of character building...like getting forced to play outside all day in super-dangerous RL?

(...And if we say it's NOT good for them, then how can we say it's ok for us to play?)


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Here here! Teach a child to think for themselves, and be safe! I agree! Parents, if you're worried, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!



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This is going to sound harsh, but I shouldn't think they should be our problem. When I was a kid, my parents watched all the computer stuff I did like a hawk and hand-picked every program I touched. That's what parent's should do.

I don't mind if a parent plays videogames, as long as they take care of their responsibilities, keep the GTA up in their room or something, ya know? There's good, balanced ways to do this, you just have to be smart and dilligent, which is what every good parent needs to be.

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4/29/09 10:18 P

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I feel it is a parent's obligation to make sure their children are practicing safe gaming! If you wouldn't let your child go to the mall by him/herself, then you shouldn't let him/her go online by him/herself. It is a public place filled with strangers that may be innocent or harmful and you won't know until it's too late. I agree with Jeremaly that a kid can also take something an innocent adult has to say the wrong way. I was having a short conversation in a chat room with a girl who later confessed to being 10. I'm glad I didn't type anything colorful!

I saw the article about the sickos who chose gaming over taking care of their kids. Their eyes did look glazed. I think this is more common than people realize. Spend a day at the public library. There are parents who sink their butts into a chair and watch the computer monitor without once looking at their kids. They assume that the friendly librarian will babysit their kids. Guess what. Librarians are busy people and a library is a very dangerous place to leave kids unattended. (I used to work at a library, I know.)

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4/29/09 1:15 P

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I'm not touching the drugs topic even with a 40 foot stick (not in this thread at least), unfortunately there are many people out there who abuse and misuse drugs, while some people believe that moderation, respect, tolerance and personal responsibility is the key- but that in itself is an entirely different topic and agreed, drugs have no place in a child's life.

Many positive things have come out of video gaming, especially for kids. For example, take a look at this article, a game that was tailored for kid cancer patients;

gamecritics.com/could-a-videogame-he
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I guess in the end, is all about taking in the good and the bad. Btw Street Fighter kicks ass, Chun Li ftw! I've never heard of the show "The Guild", will take a look.

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Magic tournaments DO keep kids off drugs, I swear.

My son isn't even two and he beat his father at Street Fighter???? (only for one round, though. LOL)


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I'm not even going to read the article because I know it will upset me. Some people are going to ignore their kids, no matter what - books, gaming, sports, whatever. How awful!

I love the on-line show The Guild, but every time I see the one character (I'm awful with names) ignore her kids, it just bugs me, and if we're with friends I shout out, "I'm not like that!" Of course they know that, but I do read around my kids, and sometimes put them off while I do. But they still get fed, and get hugs, and whatever else they need! I can't imagine REAL people not caring so much that they just truly ignore their kids.

Ok, we need a happier subject. How about how gaming has pulled a family back together, or how Magic tournaments keep kids off of drugs or something. Someone, find something nice! :)



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Woah. I could not imagine letting my child starve to death, or have infections or cat urine on them because I was so into the game- and I'm REALLY into the game! I don't really play much if I could be doing something with my son- if he's doing his homework, or doing something in his room, or out with friends or something I may play a bit, but raids are strictly for after his bedtime.

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Well, that made me feel better as a parent....0_0 That's so awful people really do that. = (

I always feel guilty about being on the computer so much for classes/chat/Spark/journalling, but man...I just can't fathom ignoring my child's needs, especially to that extent.

Hee hee. We always give our little guy an old controller so he can "play" along with us. In fact, the other night, we gave him a real controller and he got to do the snowboarding on FFVII. He's actually not bad at it, and he's only like 18 months old. I'm proud of my little gamer. XD

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Kinda ontopic, another problem I see with some parents who enjoy gaming, is that they neglect their children. I can understand putting Finding Nemo for the millionth time to have that extra hour to finish up some quests, but some parents just take it to the next level.

This article is two years old, but I keep seeing articles like this pop out quite often.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19766590/

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4/28/09 2:02 P

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My experience is with play-by-post play, and we do have, on the site I help run, problems w/ minors who want to participate in adult games. Many of them will whine we we catch them that they're "really mature" or "just as mature as a 30yo" (or even once, "I'm a 40yo trapped in a 16yo body). We either evict from the game but let them keep the account or ban the account, depending on just how egregious the behavior and the attitude we get.

I don't think that adults should be forced to play "G" games just because a child might participate. OTOH, I think that the main issue is that the parents are, far too often, falling down on the job of keeping tabs on their child's online activity. I do think that most online games are (or should be) oriented toward the older teens to adults (older being 16, which still isn't old enough for "adult" on our site) and anyone allowing a younger child to participate should be watching closely and yanking the child's access, not berating the adults, if the content is unacceptable for the child.

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I've been playing an MMO for about six years now, and I have a sister that's a good deal younger than me that wanted to play after watching me. I finally let her make a character on my account when she was about 10 or 11, with the caveat that I had to be there when she was playing. And on the first day, someone came up to her and started being nasty to her out of nowhere. So I put an end to it right there. Finally I told her when she was 13 she could start playing. I made her an account and a character so she didn't look like a newb, and put her in my guild, which was all people I knew.

The thing is, she grew up around me and my other sister, and in general, we didn't really censor ourselves around her. So if people were cursing or whatever, it wasn't a big deal. (And I agree with WesleysMama - a lot worse went on when I was in middle school, and it's only gotten worse since I was a kid. I sound old, but whatever.) It's been a much more positive experience than when she was 10 or 11.

There's only been a few other kids that I knew about. One was in one of my old guilds, and there were definitely a lot more adult conversations going on, and more jerks too for that matter. She never seemed to have a problem with it, but I wouldn't have let my little sister join that guild. The other kid I knew about played with her father watching, and she was in a PG guild. They were both about 13 at the time.

I attempt to censor myself in front of anyone I don't know, because some people don't like cursing no matter what their age. So I just end up automatically censoring myself in front of any kids. So it hasn't been a problem for me. But I understand that most MMO players are in their late teens or 20's, so adult conversations happen, and anyone who lets their kid play should be aware of that.

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4/25/09 10:53 A

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Wow, wow, and wow. FIrst, thank you whoever for writing that letter. Second, that mom was nuts - if you don't' want your kids exposed to anything, keep them in a bubble. Yea, I remember being a teenager, and used worse language than I generally do as an adult, and certainly talked a lot about sex (grew up in the 80's, a slightly different time than now in some ways).

I only have toddlers. I watch TV with them and see how they are reacting - or reacted afterwards (ie, attitude, nightmares). I don't watch 100% with them, but am aware of what they're doing. I expect to keep this as they get older, going on line, whatever. I don't want to be invasive in their lives, but I definitely want to know what they're doing.

I agree there are rating for a reason. It amazes me that some people don't have a problem with violence but with swearing and/or sexual content. Whatever! If you're not sure WHY there's a rating, hang out with your kid while playing.

There are a lot of conversations in MMO's. If someone else has a problem with it, can't they just leave that group? Like that kid that took something the wrong way - move on! Find another group!

Good luck, anyway. I don't play MMO's yet, but can sympathize with you all!

Great thinking topic, by the by!



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I definitely agree that the responsibility lies with parenting and of course, not all immature players are kids, I've seen adults behave just as bad or worse.

Speaking of which, brings me to a event that happened in an mmo called Entropia Universe. This person was playing for about 2-3 years or so, a divorced adult in his late 20's I believe, had custody of his 4 year old daughter and was playing full time, he was claiming disability.

He wasn't very liked in the community and some even questioned his sanity, especially while in custody of such a young girl. One member of the community wrote a letter to govt officials in Iceland, asking that they please look into this person because the community was scared that he could be a threat to his daughters safety. For awhile no one heard from him, no posts on forums, no ingame rants. It was on February that a forum member from a bodybuilding website he used to be part of, made an account on a Eu game forum and gave news that this player was arrested after govt officials received the letter and launched an investigation.

They found out that he was interacting with young girls of ages 12-15 ingame & via networking sites, offering them alcohol and tobacco in his home, in exchange for 'favors'. Aside from this, the police found out that he had been molesting his daughter since she was a year old (she was 4 when he was arrested). Had a forum community member not written that letter, well...

The internet is a great tool and virtual worlds are great, is just a shame that there will always be people out there who will use it with such intentions. However, it also shows that an online community can be as caring and resourceful. Sorry for the long post but having a young teen sister who also plays online games, it just made me sick.

The article is in Islandic, but here it is

www.dv.is/frettir/2009/2/12/sa-alver
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That's a pretty smart way to do it, FairyGhost.

I do see what you mean, Aly, about an age-restricted server. I guess I wish that could be a reality without restricting the whole game?

On the whole, I guess I don't play online much at all anymore because of the immature jerks, and yeah, I'm not sure it's just and age thing. 0.o I admire people that love online play and do it, just not really for me anymore. *sigh*

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My boyfriend and I both play WoW, and my 9 year old son has toons on both our accounts. He plays sometimes if his behavior has earned it for a reward- sometimes with us, sometimes not. If he would consistently exhibit such behavior, I told him I'd consider getting him his own account. He hasn't earned that. I do limit his time- I've let him play for hours before, and MAN the attitude that kid comes up with!! The behavior change is scary.

I don't like playing with immature players. I don't care what their age is, it's their maturity level. I would LOVE an age-restricted server! I've seen people complain about language, stating their kid was on & they didn't want them exposed to that. I respond with "We should not have to modify our behavior or language because someone wants to violate the ToS." You have to teach your children to adjust to their surroundings, not expect their surroundings to adjust to them. I keep my son out of the trade channel (where the worst language takes place) and his computer's in the same room as ours, so we monitor everything he does. He's learning slowly how to interact with people online, instead of getting full exposure all at once.

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I think that some games would be better if there were age restricted servers for example. Don't get me wrong, I have spoken to many intelligent 13 year olds but there is also a lot of immaturity. Also annoys me when you see stupid character names like Mr. Smelly Socks123 or suchlike :P

Another concern is how parents must perceive me as an adult playing "with" children. I had one kid once accuse me of making inappropriate comments because he completely misconstrued something I said - there was no innuendo, nothing even mildly adult in theme, yet he took offense to it... I can't remember what I said now but it was something really stupid like a username or guild name that sounded funny- kinda like you have Essex as a county in the UK - that dumb lol!!

So yeah - I can understand and it is one of the reasons why I don't tend to like participating much in online games with other people - there are too many kids and/or jackasses about :D

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Well, I just have a toddler, but as far as the age, I think the parents should decide how mature their child is, and if they deem that child as mature enough to play, then they need to mind their own business about it. I read your religion and steak examples, and that is just dumb. Eventually, that child is going to move out on their own and have to make their own decisions, either accepting, rejecting, or modifying the beliefs they were raised with. I think it's awful you've had to endure chew outs by moms who didn't get this.

Besides, if they think the conversations on online games can be "mature" they should hear what their teen and tween listen to every day on the bus from the older, "cool" kids. I think I ran into less swearing, sex talk, and "evil" in general talking to mature adults online when I was a teen. They didn't feel a need to prove themselves by spouting off George Carlin's 7 words you can't say on television. XD

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As a player from when Everquest and other online games came out, I have found there isn't much difference between the two it's all in the level of maturaty in the person. Some think because they are behind a screen they can act however they want, while others still respect people.

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My son-in-law is playing his games from www.2old2play.com. He plays war games but I think he said he could play other games there.

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heh if a parent is so senstive to what their child may see in a public forum, especially if its just normal discussion, then they should not allow their child there in the first place. In that person's case, Id be more concerned on the maturity level of the mother than the child :P

reminds me of parents that blindly buy their kids games or music rated adult and then whine later about the content of the items. Hello the rating is right there in front of you.



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One incident that I encountered had nothing to do with cursing, adult language or adult material.. it actually had to do with religion and faith. The conversation was in public chat and we were debating about religion (nothing vulgar or what I would deem inappropriate, just sharing points of view). The parent lashed at anyone who did not share her beliefs and said her child should not be exposed to, I quote 'atheistic brainwashing and immoralities'. Another encounter with the same mother another time was because there was public chat about eating steak (someone started talking about their plans for the weekend and attending a BBQ) and the mother lashed out because her daughter was a vegetarian and eating meat was immoral.

Most encounters I've seen with parents are not due to language used, but mostly to sensitive topics that they deem inappropriate to debate in front of their child. I have a problem with this considering that MMORPG stands for massively multiplayer online role playing games, is obvious that you will encounter people from all over the globe who share different cultures and beliefs. Offensive content is so subjective.


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I do not have children. I have played with friends both in real life and online (ok taking their word for it) who had a child playing as well. Could just be because mom or dad was in the group to make them behave, but if I didnt know they were a child, those kids were often more mature than supposedly adult members we would pick up for the group.

I have nothing against kids playing. I usually dont swear or say offensive things in the first place, so I dont usually modify what I am saying. I mean you are often in mixed groups to begin with, you never know what may be offensive. I am more likely to kick someone out of the group who is speaking "adult" than a kid for just being a kid just because Id rather not be around that type of language or topics. Chances are I wouldnt discuss anything non-child safe unless I knew everyone in the group to begin with anyway.

For game play, I do not dumb things down for a child. If they are intelligent enough to play the game, then they should be able to keep up. Sure some tactics may need to be explained if they were not exposed to it before, but that would apply to anyone.

My friends with children, especially younger children, do have rules that they are not allowed to play alone online. Either they are in a group with us or the computers are set up in a family room where an adult can monitor at any time.

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This is mostly in reference to paid subscription games like WoW, Everquest, etc and RCE games (Real Cash Economy Games)

This conversation has come up plenty of times in other game forums and among some of my gaming friends, and I'm curious to hear what is the consensus here. I understand many parents pay subs for their kids to play along with them or on their own.

For the people who don't play online games with their children or don't have kids, how do you feel about your gameplay when your playing with children? Do you adjust your language/gameplay? Do you agree that children should play sub based games with adults?

If you are a parent who does pay for your child to play, do you monitor their gameplay? Do you have keyloggers? Do you utilize parental controls? Do you restrict time spent in games? Do you feel comfortable with your child interacting with adults you don't know? Lets say, a 13 year old girl with a 35 year old male.

As far as I know there is no such thing as restricted servers for minors so is all mixed (unless is Second Life or other games I haven't heard about)

Now with that being said, my personal opinion is that sub based games should be restricted to only 18+ users, many of them have "you must be 13+ or older with parental consent" and I highly disagree with this as an adult paying customer, no matter how mature the child is.

Myself, I often engage in adult language and conversations that include adult material. If I'm part of a guild/society, it must be 18+. I have encountered parents that actually reprimanded users when talking in public chats about adult material, because their child is playing and they didn't feel comfortable with the conversations taking place.

I strongly believe that there are many topics that come up in public chats that children should hear from their parents first. Granted, I've met the exceptions to the rule but usually is from teens who are 16-17, less than 15 years old is where I start drawing the line.

So, whats your opinion?

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