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That sounded amazing! Way to go, and I hope your body has healed since then.

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HOORAY! Great job! I am so excited for your big finish and so impressed with your perseverance, especially through pain and on a hilly course! Having had a similar marathon experience recently, I can attest to the great willpower it takes to continue under those conditions. You should be so proud of your accomplishment!

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Congrats! What a great story of perseverance, and you should be very proud of your accomplishment. Whenever things in life get tough, you can remember how hard you worked during your first marathon and how you can get through anything.

This was inspiring to read, and makes me excited for mine on Sunday!

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Woohoo! I did it! Wow!

What a great experience! I definitely recommend Steamtown Marathon if it is within your range. The whole marathon was very well planned and coordinated. The towns people were awesome through every town we ran. The route was a wonderful mix of mostly road running with some scenic river trails thrown in. It was a gorgeous Autumn day and the colors were very pretty! Definitely glad that this was my first marathon.

It was a pretty dark and cold morning with the first frost that I seen this season but the sun came up bright as ever, the day was full of promise! I was excited and ready to do this. The cannon blasted off and we were running. The first half was almost all down hill and I thought that I was doing pretty good. I was keeping a slow pace and I felt like I was warming up nicely. Everyone was yakking and settling in for the long road ahead of us and people lined the streets of the towns to cheer us on. Children wanted high fives and cheered for the runners.

The miles seemed to be flying by! Woohoo! I thought this is going great! Then I started feeling the old familiar pain in my knee that has not happened during a run in a long time. I also started having very bad pain in my shins. UGH! How could this happen now!?!? I thought it would pass but it did not. My spirits still very high, my body was starting to give me doubts already and I had a long way to go. I took longer walk breaks and ran slower but it never subsided. Every time I would see one of the buses on the side of the road waiting to take ailing runners back to the finish I would just mentally scream "Not this girl!".

Looking at my watch, I was still doing pretty well and could definitely finish ahead of the 6 hour time limit. At one point I was near tears and I yelled at myself out loud. "There is no time for tears! Do not waste your energy on tears, you need it to get through this!" Yow. I just kept telling myself that I had time to finish and the pain is just temporary, the finish is forever. At that point, the people that cheered me on and the other runners around me were a blessing and a curse. Some times they would make me smile and believe, but other times I would want to scream at them "shut up and leave me alone". I did not know if my knee and legs were going take me the distance. "Holy crap! Where did these hills come from?" As we arrived in the city the hills started, normally no big deal, at the end of a marathon with legs screaming in pain, BIG DEAL! BUT, I knew if I made it this far I am not backing down now. The big question at that time was am I going to make the 6 hour cutoff.

I crested what I hoped would be the last hill and there it was! The finish line was in sight! As much as my legs did not want to run another inch, my mind said let's run this in and get this done! Finish time was 5:52:35!

Yes, I am a back of the packer! I will never be a fast runner. Considering where I came from and the fact that I have severe asthma and a completely torn ACL, I am happy to be able to do any running at all, let alone a full marathon. I feel very happy with the whole event and will definitely try to do better next year!

Thank you all for your support and encouragement!
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I know someone running Steamtown, and I'm considering it next year Have a great race!

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Thank you all for your thoughts! I have decided that I will not try anything new. No tape and no comp socks. It has felt pretty good all week and I know that I am just really nervous about having the problem again while doing the marathon.

There is a 6 hour time limit so I have decided to really, really try and just stay at a pace that will get me to the finish in under 6 hours. I believe that this plan will be my best bet to finish with the least amount of discomfort.

If I have success, I will definitely do another next year. I absolutely love the training! The races help keep me motivated when I may otherwise slide backwards. I have been maintaining my weight for a long time now and will not go back! I have made so many friends through running and hiking since losing the weight. Who knew life could be this good!

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Another anti-vote for compression clothing in your scenario. It's something you should try in advance. Compression socks, for example, can push toes into different positions (than they would go without compression socks) with resulting chafe, blisters, or discomfort. And if you have a touch of achilles tendonitis (as you make it sound), increased pressure from the compression socks could backfire by squeezing the tendon sheath and causing more tendon irritation and inflammation.

Tape requires experimentation as well. It is easy to get the impression that taping is very scientific and precise; it isn't. A PT may appear to apply tape the same way from week to week and yet one week it may feel good, another it won't. Same thing if you try to mimic what the PT is doing. You have to build up experience on your own. In other words, avoid a first encounter with tape under race conditions.

All the other things you mentioned doing sound really good: ice, stretching, rest, and a gradual return. I would likely have also added an anti-inflammatory such as ibuprofen. But you're feeling good is an excellent sign. Keep doing what you're doing and resist the urge to change anything now.

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Happy to hear that for the most part, you are feeling good. I am sure I will be nervous in another week myself!

I agree with the other comments - do not try anything new. I run with compression socks all the time and am a big fan, but definitely dont try them if you havent done any long runs with them before.

I used KT Tape when I was recovering from my IT band strain and think it works pretty good. There are videos on their website that show you how to apply it, but if you know someone with experience, definitely ask them for the best way to apply it.

All the best to you - I am sure you will be great. Cant wait to hear how it went!

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I would not suggest running with compression socks if you haven't done it before at shorter distances. I ran a marathon last weekend with compression shorts on for the first time and my legs really, really hated me for it. Not being used to the compression at those areas, my glutes and quads were burning by the end, and not in a way that I expected. Like in a, "GET THESE PANTS OFF OF ME RIGHT NOW" way. I've also had a friend who wore compression socks for the first time in a 16 mile road race who had to take them off and run without socks for most of the run. Welcome to blister country, friends.

Now, taping I can get on board with. The pressure is more localized and you won't risk swelling and pain as a result. Do you have a sports doctor or a chiro that you can see to give you some feedback about whether you're taping properly? When I need to take, I text my chiropractor pictures of my tape job to make sure I'm getting it right.

Really, though, I bet you're going to be fine and run an amazing race. :)



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I have just a few days until the marathon and generally speaking, I feel pretty good but a little worried which I guess is probably normal.

I ran a 21 mile LSR 2.5 weeks ago and I did not have any emotional breakdowns and it went pretty good. I had very little soreness the next couple days, felt great and had more confidence that I would be able to do the full 26.2.

Then the next weekend I was 3.25 miles out on a run and my Achilles starting hurting so bad that I had to walk back. I was limping around for two days and very concerned. I used ice and some stretching and forced myself to rest for the next week. I went to my yoga class and was happy with that.

On the 7th day I walked some to see how it felt and the next day I walked at a faster pace for longer. Seemed to be okay. I took a rest day on Monday and then did a walk/run combo the last two days. I feel pretty good but still worried about a re-occurrence.

I am considering using KT tape on the Achilles or running with compression socks. Any thoughts?

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10/2/15 4:19 P

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CHANGINGHORSES - how are you doing? You are about a week out, hope your taper is going well!

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CHANGINGHORSES: "How do you know if you are replacing electrolytes correctly?"

That's a very good question, to which I haven't found a comfortable answer. The answer I've found is that it's a bit like avoiding overtraining or repetitive use injuries. There is no indicator that I'm doing it right, just indicators when I'm doing it wrong.

I ran the Buffalo Marathon on water and GU. When I stopped after the finish line, my calves cramped. They recovered, but they gave me some discomfort for that day and the next. Thinking about that, and how my legs felt when I was taking extra GUs late in the marathon, I tentatively think my body was crying out for electolytes more than for the calories in the GUs. (Not that the calories were a bad thing, in that situation!)

Since Buffalo, training through the summer I've been carrying a bottle of water and a bottle of Nuun. I've learned that in most cases, I only need the electrolytes from a half tablet of Nuun on a long run, though I may need a full tablet if it's particularly humid. How do I reach that conclusion? By trying things one way, seeing a bit of water retention from too much sodium, and then finding that I can break the tablet in half and only use a half tab in the 10 oz water bottle. Hmm, that worked out better.

It would be nice to have a no-pressure marathon to test this theory on this fall; but I can't fit one in around all the other stuff I've committed to. Probably the closest test was last week at SummerFest, where I ran a preview of the 12K course easy then ran the 12K race for my 15 total miles. I ended up using 1.5 tablets of Nuun, though I could have got by with 1. I'll have another test next week at the Rochester Half, where I may take Fluid at some of the water stops to make my bottle of Nuun last for the full course. This depends on the weather; it suddenly went from oppressive summer to early autumn weather this week, and I won't need as much in the cooler temperature.

I'll continue testing things on long runs through the winter, and the big test will be Boston 2016. I hope I have it down by then. But bearing in mind that I got through the last two winters with no electrolyte drink at all, I'm not so sure that I'll have a fair test of what works between now and Boston.


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Steamtown? Hope you're getting in lots of hill work. It's a deceptive course in that it looks mostly downhill but those early miles are a problem for quads. The official race website even warns about it. But I like this quote from a blog:

"Steamtown’s course is a quad killer. You would be smart to mix in lots of hills, especially downhills, during your training. If you do not have any hills where you live, simply stab your quads with a fork every night to become accustomed to searing pain."

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I am running the Steamtown Marathon in Scranton, PA on Oct. 11. I definitely must learn to start slower. I will have people there and I will know a few runners. But I also realize that I am the only one who can get me to the finish line. I have got to battle the mental demons and that is what scares me. I will put on the armor and battle to the end. I can do this!
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Bad runs happen. They do not mean you aren´t ready.

If you are unsure, the best thing to do starting is start slow. Have walk breaks from the beginning. Do NOT try to bank time to prepare for blowing up later. It is a self fulfilling prophecy. Find others on the course if you don´t have people coming with. What marathon are you running?

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How do you know if you are replacing electrolytes correctly?

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The one that most closely describes how I felt is, "A marathon is a nice 20 mile jog followed by the toughest 10K of your life."

I don't know whether I've learned the right lessons from my first marathon. What I *think* I learned is, a) I need to build a stronger base of miles run, and b) I need to pay more attention to replacing electrolytes. No doubt I'm missing something else I should work on, and I'll find out about it next April.


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Moby, Your coach had it backwards. The quote is:

"A marathon is just a 10K with a 20 mile warmup."

There are other versions of it. Like this:

"Anyone can run 20 miles. It's the next six that count."





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The first marathon, you will have mind games about the distance. My longest training run was 22 miles, and it was vitally important to me psychologically, because the first time I attempted 22 miles I got a gut bomb and had to quit at 21. Yeah, that's stupid; but I learned something about nutrition the day or two before the marathon from it.

Everyone I know who runs marathons told me I was ready, it would be no problem, all I had to do was finish and I'd BQ . . . but there was that nagging doubt as to whether I could really run 26.2 miles. That doubt stayed there almost till the finish line.

My advice, worth what you paid for it: The first 13.1 miles of your marathon should be the slowest half marathon you ever ran, and you should feel great at the halfway point. Save your energy and legs for the last 10K that you'll need to do on grit and guts.

FWIW, when I told the running club coach I was running my first marathon, the first thing he said was, "Run the first 10K as a warmup."


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Thank you Heather and Aimless! I guess you are right about the doubts creeping in. Most of the time I have that stuff under control. Every once in a while I get those negative thoughts and ask myself "who do you think you are trying to run a marathon", or any long race for that matter. My doctors gave their blessings but they personally don't get it. They ask me why do I want to? Well, that list could go on and on. Unless you have actually trained your self and pushed to the finish line, you don't understand.
I also know that there is a big difference between 20 and 26.2 miles and 20 is my longest in training. The 6.2 is the part I am scared of. But that will pass on Oct 11. :0


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I think if you're not worrying about race day, then you're not really training for a marathon, in my experience. It's a big deal to run that far, and self-doubt is to long-distance runners like a middle school bully is to an insecure teenage girl. It can hurt our feelings while simultaneously making us stronger.

I was exactly where you were after my 19 mile run recently. It was a terrible run. I think the key is to examine the bad run, figure out where it went wrong, and try to fix those things on the next run. Also, it's important to remember that training and racing are totally different animals. There's a measure of excitement, adrenaline, and relief that propels you just a little further, just a little faster at the race. And I second everybody's observation that the "time limits" on the course are really very flexible. Often all they're saying is that that's the earliest they'd start breaking down water stations. You'll be well on your way to the finish line before that happens.

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I think it's normal to doubt your abilities after a bad run but don't let it get your confidence down too much. Think about what you can take away from the run and what you might do to improve the next time. Let that bad experience help you gain some mental strength as well. I had a rough 16 mile run all in the rain last weekend that was more mentally hard than it was physically. I kept telling myself that it was making me mentally prepared for the big race and once the run was over, I focused on the fact that I didnt give up despite the rain.

It sounds like one takeaway you had was to run slower next time, and there's nothing wrong with that. Dont worry about your pace or how slow it feels as you will be thankful for the slowness at which you started once you are closer to the end of the run and you still have enough left in you to finish. Now that you know what you would change, apply that to your next long run and I bet you will do great. Forget about your doubts and remain positive, and I bet you will have a great run that will restore some of your confidence. I am also training for my first full and it is hard! Sometimes all we want is for someone to reassure us that we are doing great and we focus too much on our failures. You are putting in the training so trust in that. You will do great!

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Yes, I know. I broke the rules. :(

I have a very difficult time starting out that slow. The crowd is always much younger and I get the starting rush. Do you really think it is that simple though? I mean really, I was only about 35 sec pm under. Is that really a lot?

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You ran *faster* than your marathon race pace?! Well, no wonder then!

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I was doing great for the first 3/4 of the race. At about mile 14 I started getting tired and my legs were starting to ache. I had to go the last two miles with lots of walk breaks, running was not easy at that point. I do about 4:1 run/walk usually and it seems good for me. I admit that I did this faster than marathon and lsd pace.
I feel great today, FWIW. I did the usual recovery stuff by means of rolling, fuel, shower, rest, etc. I walked 2.5 miles this morning and drove 6 hours home.
Maybe I am just nervous. I think that I should have felt better than I did at the end. Maybe I need to decrease the run a little bit, IDK. I'm scared.
My breathing and knee were no problem at all. Leg fatigue and brain was the issue.
I'm not sure what to do to make this better on myself and six weeks does not seem like it will make that much of a difference. Slow it down and trust the training, I guess.

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I agree about using run/walk intervals. I "straight" run all my shorter (up to 10 miles) runs, but for all long runs I've been using :30/:30 run/walk intervals - I end up feeling great - no soreness and it doesn't really slow my overall pace by that much.

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It's hard to understand your concern, since 18M 6 weeks out sounds pretty good to me! But I gather you physically felt terrible but I'm not sure since you didn't actually say that. Can you be a bit more specific? For example, did you bonk at some point? How far into the course? Did you do the 18M at marathon race pace or LSD pace?

Obviously, I'm having a hard time understanding why you are questioning your limits. But if it turns out that your endurance (I guess?) just won't get you there, you might consider doing walk/run where you run at your normal pace. Then you'll still be able to fit in the walk breaks while finishing under the limit. Or will the alternation be too hard on your asthma?

Finally, I'll point out that most races actually aren't strict about their cutoffs and just put tighter cutoffs in their advertising to cut down on runners who are totally over their head. Check last year's results and you'll be able to see if they're really strict or not.



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Oh boy. I have 6 weeks left to train for my first marathon. I have run several halves already, including a back to back last month. Yesterday I ran an 18.12 (miles) Challenge and when I finished, all I could think is "what did I do?". It is the second time that I ran this race and my time is better than last years time but only by 3.5 minutes.
I finished the race yesterday and I was an emotional wreck. I certainly did not feel like I could go another 8+ miles. I still have my 20 mile training run in two weeks but I need some tips to build my confidence to finish the 26.2. I think that I must go the absolute slowest that the course will allow to get this done. That is 13 minute miles.
Am I crazy? I am not a fast runner and never will be, I have a completely torn ACL and severe asthma both of which are under control with a steady pace. I really cannot go faster. My pace for the 18.12 was 12:20.
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