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Whatever works for you I am just reporting what Megan has said.

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This doesn't reduce calories... just puts them all in a short window. I'm supposed to eat around 1200 calories and I can do that in the 1 hr window.

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If you want to know more about fasting and how it works as opposed to just eating a very low calorie diet then I would suggest that you not only read the book by Dr. Jason Fung and Jimmy Moore but that you also listen to the weekly podcasts at www.fastingtalk.com/10-fear-of-fasti
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Fasting does not put you into starvation mode but eating a very low calorie diet may do that. This is why Dr. Fung and Megan suggest that you do not do 24 hour fasts every day until you are in maintenance.

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I would think the longer fasts... say 2-5 days could cause a problem initially as your body could go into starvation mode and refuse to release any fat. Just 24 hrs with adequate macros shouldn't do that. You are constantly refueling. It surely has been the answer to prayers for ME!

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Hi GRINGUITA,

Based on what I've read, I don't think I'm in danger of going into "starvation mode" with the 24 hour fasts. Nothing I've seen contraindicates doing this on a daily basis. I am getting plenty of calories and my macros are totally in line with keto protocol for weight loss. I'll switch things up if/when I hit a true plateau, but for now I'm really happy with this schedule of eating.

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I have hit my short term Spark Goal as of today! This morning I was shocked to find another 2.2# gone in only a couple of days! Took my measurements and I lost 2" more there. WOW, what a game changer IF has been for me. THIS is the kind of KETO weight loss people report, but I never did. I actually FEEL different when I walk.... must be the fat loss. I can only hope the toxins that seem to be stuck in me have left along with that fat! My real goal is to be healthy, not a certain weight. I knew I couldn't be healthy with all that excess fat hanging around! I'm hoping my pain levels will drop now too.
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It's not recommended to do 24 hr fasting every day unless you are in maintenance. I may put your body into starvation mode and stall your weight loss. Alternate days or a couple of times a week is ok if it works for you. I need to go longer.

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Yeah! Really cool to hear about both of your experiences with fasting. I am amazed at how easy and effective it is. I can't believe how many times a day I catch myself thinking about food, what I should eat, whether I have it, whether it's "on plan" and then have the relief of remembering: "oh, I'm not eating until dinner." Yes, for me it is a total relief. And for the first time I'm having that "the weight is melting off" experience. :) I plan to keep up the 24 hour fasting schedule indefinitely (although GRINGUITA is inspiring me to go longer)!

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Very Good!

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I have been doing this particular pattern of fasting for about 6 weeks now and I have lost about 10 lbs and my morning Blood sugar has improved as well. I will be away for the last week in April first couple of weeks in May and I will not do the extended fasts during that time but I won't resume eating breakfast.

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How does that affect your weight loss? Have you been doing it for a long time?

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I fast from Sunday evening to Wednesday evening as a rule. And do about 18/6 the rest of the week. This is what works for me.


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I just started fasting this week! What a change for the better! First I skipped breakfast a couple of days and then lengthened my time until I ate lunch. For 3 days now I have only eaten at around 4:30 pm and I have no hunger for the first time EVER! Getting all those macros in within an hour is certainly a challenge! I've never tried fasting when truly fat-adapted. THAT was part of the key! The best news, I'm steadily starting to lose weight again! I even slept 8 hrs straight last night... my normal is 3.5-5.5 hrs of total sleep with wakes in between, never intentional! This would make traveling later this month soooo much easier! I have Hubby talked into fasting too. He used to go longer than I could even while eating carbs, so I don't think he'll have a problem. What a revelation! I'm so excited to see what happens in the next few weeks! If I can't do it long term, so be it! I'll just do it in spurts then. I think, for me, it has forced my system to dig into that stored fat better than just eating Keto alone.

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Chiming in late here. I read Jason Fung's "The Obesity Code" and have since been doing rounds of 24 hour fasting. So, dinner only (with the--lovely, indispensable, and totally approved exception of coffee with HWC in the a.m.). I did this Wed, Thurs, and Fri of this week and am doing it again today.

The first day was a little tough--just a low-grade headache in the early afternoon. I had a bit of salt and it went a way. Second two days were a breeze. I love the freedom from planning/executing/tracking meals. And I've found I still eat the exact same dinner that I would have--meaning, I'm not "making up" for all of the days' calories in one gigantic binge. I think it's the combo of Keto with the IF that makes it work--not having nasty carbs in your system makes it easier to go longer without food (no mystery to all of you here). And, because I'm only eating one meal, my net carbs are extremely low--around 5 or so from veggies.

The idea is more than caloric reduction--it's to keep your insulin levels suppressed for longer periods in order, ultimately, to lower your weight set-point. The concept is well laid out in the book and I'm certainly not doing it justice here.

At this point, I'm not interested in doing longer fasts. I've always enjoyed dinner much more than any other meal and I don't feel deprived at all. Interesting!

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You had your kombucha tested Erin? I ferment my own (plenty of scoby here) and have tried to find out the carb/calorie count on it. What I find online seems way too high in both. So you are saying that if I use apple cider vinegar in by tracker that should be close in nutrition? BTW, I make my own apple cider vinegar. It's easy to do when processing apples (I have a dozen apple trees... so I process a lot of apples)

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It's good to give your body a rest so it can heal from whatever ails it. The body has tremendous healing powers and we tend to get in the way with too much food and unnecessary medicines.

I have been fasting from Sunday night until sometime on Wednesdays for the last three weeks -- this is working well for me.

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I just finished another 21 hour fast and it went much better this time. I added some bone broth with garlic and turmeric in addition to drinking tea. I didn't have any coffee because I have had some stomach issues the last few days (heartburn, pain and nausea) so I didn't want anything acidic on my empty stomach. I did have a mild headache all day that I was not able to relieve with salt or water. I have not taken any ibuprofen for the last few days because of my stomach upset so it could be that the degeneration in my neck was the cause of the headache. My stomach actually did not hurt at all today so I was thankful of that. I have been worried that I may have an ulcer because the heartburn and pain have only been relieved by eating.

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I agree with Erin... never apologize for garlic, and eat as much fermented food as you can... I'm going to try my hand at natto next.

I'm glad the resources are helpful, CC! Best wishes!
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You made me laugh, speed! Yes, Keto speed!
No I have not done orange squash, but I know some people do a lacto- ferment on that and pumpkin. I think being used like a condiment would be OK. Keto is as well about health, not just performance or weight loss. When you find that place where you can actually see where your cut off on carbs is, I can see where you could add some of the fermented squash back in as a side, like pickles.
I have had kombucha since day one and absolutely love it. I make it with cane sugar or honey(both raw) the sugar is eaten up by the SCOBY and when tested mine comes out right next to Apple Cider Vinegar. I have had zero issues with any of my fermented foods.
I can not tell you how much you are doing for your over all health eating fermented foods and beverages. I have hardly any digestion issues any more and boy was I a mess.
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As well I think fermented has less of an issue. I ferment a half gallon every 4-6 months along side my lemons. Two staples in our home, as is Kim Chi, Kraut, pickles, salsa, kefir, and Kombucha. I always have something brewing. LOL
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ERIN1957: Well it's a good thing I made my first batch of sauerkraut last week!! I tasted it yesterday, day 5, and think I'll let it go a little longer. I made one jar with garlic, turmeric, and ginger but it smells like Kimchee ... REALLY garlicky so not sure I will be able to eat it and still maintain any socialization LOL!! I am going to try cauliflower next. Have you ever done butternut squash? I have one left from pre-Keto days and thought maybe I would try it too. Not sure on the carbs though but maybe if it is just a condiment? If not I will cook it up for the dog!

Thank you for your comments ... I actually had a great day today and had so much energy! (have only had BPC today so far ... it's 2 pm) My sister took me to Costco and she said I exhausted her with all of my talking! She thought maybe I was on speed or something LOL!

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GRINGUITA: Thanks for your thoughts ... I appreciate your wisdom! BTW, your quote is one of my favorites! IT'S NOT THE ENDl!! emoticon

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-JAMES-: Thanks! I have been keto for 7 weeks ... Will try a few different tactics next time!

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_RAMONA: Thank you so much for the ideas and resources ... I will check them out and see if I can't put them into play next time! emoticon

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SimCyn: emoticon Thank you for your reply ... I appreciate your thoughts!

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A lot of great information here. I really can't add much except for this; before I could fast with success I worked on my gut health, eating fermented foods and drinks (all homemade as many store bought can be misleading especially with higher sugars) like kombucha and kefirs, kraut, garlic, pickles, vegetables and so one. So many varieties of what you can ferment and very easily done. Many great sites out there. Gut health is very important to me and for so many reasons, as there is a direct link from gut to brain. If you are interested please let me know I can give you some great sources.
Intermittent fasting sounds as if it went well for you, maybe smaller increments could work as well, just increasing slightly each new IF period. Going from 16 hours to 16.5 and so on and so on. As well trying to get enough food in in such a short period of time can be a real issue for some people. I have as well experience after a 23/1 fast, stomach upset. I was not alone. Many others have shared that they were so hungry that they ate to fast or to much in such a short refeed time. I am not sure if this has happened to you too, but something to maybe look at as well.
I hope you have better results, just please remember to take your time and allow your body adjustment time. I know this can be hard as we all want results and yesterday have our weight off, LOL The healthy weight loss is the weigh loss that will remain off. Our bodies heal faster when we lighten our food loads and IF and fasting can be an amazing tool. I do suggest passing this by your health care professional and see what they think. As we here know so little about each other and can only give you helpful suggestions. Ultimately it should be addressed with you and your health professional.
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Fasting is a great tool but it is not right for everyone. What you experienced may have been some sort of "healing crisis" or it might have been a signal that this is not a good technique for you. Do some of the shorter fasts that you can tolerate for a while and then try a longer one again -- if you feel the tool of fasting is right for you. But as Dr. Fung says it is just a tool that you can use it's not the only way to accomplish your goals.

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How long have you switched your diet to Keto? Is it two weeks or more? If not, that could explain your headache. In that case my guess would be that your body is not adapted to burn fat as its major fuel.

I remember horrible headaches when I was young, about 13, and went on a fast. I didn't have breakfast, or lunch and by mid afternoon I had a pounding headache. I didn't make it until supper time. I was eating the standard American diet at that time, and the lack of carbs was the issue.

I myself have never fasted eating Keto. I've gone longer stretches without eating, like say eating breakfast, forgetting to eat lunch, and having a late supper, and only being mildly hungry, but not a real fast.


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Sorry you had a tough time of it!

While the headache is normal, the heartburn isn't.

First the headache: any significant drop in carbs can give you a bout of keto/LC flu (depends on how keto-adapted you are... takes longer for some people than others... linked to liver health), and fasting is zero carb... some bone broth, or a sipping lightly salted water would have been a better choice than the coffee... coffee dehydrates you further, and you may need to supplement potassium and magnesium until your ketones ramp up.

A GREAT fasting drink: HERBAMARE in hot water... tastes like broth, supplies electrolytes, but doesn't in any way break the fast.





Now the heartburn: when I first started fasting, I had heartburn issues (h.pylori die-off... a good thing)... a sign that your digestive system is out of balance... not enough acid, as opposed to too much. Sipping water with raw, unpasteurized ACV helps (apple cider vinegar... a tsp. per cup of water). It only took me a couple of days, and the heartburn was a thing of the past, never to return since.

Here's a GREAT resource to help you understand this all better:
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For some people if there are a lot of imbalances in their systems, fasting can initially be a bit unsettling, but do persist. The results are truly worth the challenges you may have to troubleshoot. Over time, fasting will improve most issues... even GERD. Like most cures, however, things may feel a bit worse before they get better... and keep in mind, fasting is not necessarily for everyone... it's a tool to be used to accomplish specific goals and outcomes.

Hang in there! If you've read Dr. Fung's FASTING SERIES you're in good hands!

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If you have gerd... I'm not sure fasting is good. The stomach acids are just there wanting to do some work and there isn't anything there to work on. I would recommend small meals throughout the day. I don't really know Dr. Fung. Does he say to fast when you have reflux?

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So I fasted yesterday-22 hrs. I'm not sure it went very well. I drank only water until about 2 pm (hour 16) then had a black coffee because my head was hurting so bad. The caffeine helped for a few hours but then I got horrible heart burn. At 7 pm I ate a light meal of shrimp scampi with zoodles. But after supper as the night progressed so did my headache and my heartburn. I had a small glass of almond milk but it didn't help much. I had to take a few Tums along with my normal omeprazole (I have GERD) before I went to bed because my stomach hurt so badly. I didn't sleep well at all last night ... I was awake every hour. I feel okay this morning with slight heartburn. Just wondering if this is normal? Not sure I want to do it again. I usually do 16/8 most days but want to be successful at longer fasts also. I listened to many of Dr. Fung's videos and read up on fasting so I thought I was prepared. TIA for your help and wisdom!

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