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Does anyone have trouble getting diagnosed with thyroid?

My numbers are close to the line but I have nearly all the symptoms, but the drs.
say: A: my imagination B: Nothing wrong with your thyroid.

I am only on a low dose Thyroid med, once a day.


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Hello! Eleven days left of January.
Lasso it, and make it a successful month. We have the ability to do it. Let's DO it.
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Wanted to share a link to a team thread that I opened yesterday regarding carbohydrate sensitivity:

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The fatigue nd cognitive dysfunction associated with the rare, complex chronic condition diagnosed in May 2019 has been challenging and means the energy I have to participate here has been impacted.

Hoping to go back and read posts and contribute here more as energy permits.

Wishing all of you the best!

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Hi all! I'm an intermittent sparker I guess. I was struggling for a long time with my meds after my TT. Drs only wanted to treat based on TSH and those numbers looked good but I was suffering and struggled to lose weight. A little more than a year ago I found a personal trainer that had me relook at my medications and I switched Dr's and went on Nature Throid. I had low vitamin D among other nutrient deficiencies and spent this past year correcting and balancing a lot of things. In October of this year my A1C numbers went over the threshold so no I have a diabetes diagnosis even thought I immediately got on board with eliminating processed sugars as much as possible in my diet. Gave up coffee because I couldn't do it without sugar. I also curbed starchy carbs quite a bit. My daily carb intake is avg about 50 carbs per day. I do have variations but I feel overall better keeping carbs lowish. I have finally started to lose weight. Since October I've lost 15 lbs. I have not exercised. I have also kept my blood sugar numbers within range this whole time and hoping the A1C drops out of danger zone. I went back to the personal trainer that helped me rewrite my health focus and started working with her today.

I was looking that January Challenge. If I'm getting that information from a place other than sparkpeople would that be okay to use for the calculations? The trainer has apps she prefers because she can link with me and monitor directly. It is a layer of accountability for me that I've needed. I'm tracking food in another app and they have a custom app for exercise routines. I'm going to check for calories burned may need to re-enter exercise on spark to get the expenditure. I like the idea of another layer of monitoring what I'm doing. But trying to not overwhelm myself with a lot of posting and cross posting.

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I've been on thyroid meds for about 6 weeks and i have lost about 8 lbs without changing anything else. i lost weight over thankgsgiving week. that has never happened before, i hope the meds continue to help.

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i have been on thyroid meds in the past and it only helped a little. then i moved so i switched doctors and the script was no longer prescribed.

i now have a new doctor and a new script. i know it wont be a cure, but i hope it s a step in the latter to being healthy, months ago i started changing my attitude so i have had some small successes. i hope if i do some careful research then at my next doctor appointment and find more natural treatments for my thyroid

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11/13/19 12:34 A

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lol, I just scrolled down and read that Jeanknee misses me. Good timing!
I've been neglecting spark, but I still HAVE the spark; I was just busy scraping, priming and painting the house, and holding the ladder for the guys on the tall ladders, lol.
My weight just began coming down again. I have an appointment right before Thanksgiving. I'm looking forward to seeing what Mrs. Doc's scale says. I also just had my blood-work done for my thyroid and cholesterol etc. So maybe that will show something new.

Okay, so NOW for a story. I'll just share one right now, because I gotta get to bed, but THIS story began with ANOTHER story about my sons in the Marines. I'll save that one for later, because it put a bee in my bonnet and I don't wanna get riled up right before bed.

But, yesterday, Hubby and I took our four youngest kids out to eat at a restaurant called Mission Barbecue. (does everyone have one of those in their town?) It's a VERY patriotic restaurant and the walls are full of military photos and logos and such.
These 'kids' are now 18, almost 17, almost 15, and 13 1/2. (they are the bottom four out of nine).
So, my 18 yr old daughter.... She's something else. She was sitting across from me trying to eat a barbecued pulled-chicken sandwich. She didn't even get HALF of it down yet.
She's a tiny little thing and it crossed my mind to say, "
"If you manage to eat that whole thing you will double your weight!"

She blushed and exclaimed, "I've been FULL for FIFTEEN MINUTES!!!!"

We laughed.
A minute later, she put the sandwich down. We laughed again.
She said,
"I gotta wait a minute.... I'm GONNA DO it..... but I gotta wait a minute."

The waiter even noticed her struggle and made a comment. lol
15 minutes later, she got the last bite down.

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Thank you for the warm fuzzy, BRENNER! emoticon

My spirts are good. Physically I remain challenged. October was a 'rough' one. Not sure why. November will be what it is going to be. One day at a time.

I FINALLY got the sample for the DNA testing taken and shipped. Hoping there will be some useful information elicited from it. Once I receive the raw results, I'll need to run them through another service to elicit the health information the clinical nutritionist, doctor and I desire.

We shall see. I know this will be a weeks to months long process to obtain the info. But, the cogs on the wheel have at least begun to turn.

I love the fall. It is my favorite season of the year. emoticon

Wildland fires in recent years have made the fall rough. The smoke challenges me. This year has been MUCH, MUCH better! It is the best fire season we've experienced (despite the news) in decades!!! And, although devastating fires are occurring, especially to those directly impacted by injury, loss of life, damage / destruction to homes, places of business, etc. ... this year has, truly, been MUCH better.

I know the fire season is not over for us ... yet. It was the weeks preceding Thanksgiving and Thanksgiving week that were SO HORRENDOUS for us last year. The temps are cooler this year which has helped. Some rain would be really nice!

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10/10/19 10:45 A

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Hello All! Hope you're enjoying fall and not active on here lately because you're happy, healthy, and have no cause for concerns!

Just wanted to share a quick warm fuzzy because this team has brought me a lot of peace and smiles this year...thank you! emoticon emoticon

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Thanks PERRYBABE!

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Learning to take the meds correctly was a huge step for me. Do take care of yourself. So sorry to hear about your daughter and your dog. That's scary! emoticon

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Thanks ladies for the great advice with the seasonal slumps! I am noticing a change for the positive since taking the vitamin D and know that until I'm done with physical therapy on my legs I'll have to be happy with the pool and look forward to more exercise in the future (hopefully to help the nice long MN winter).

My focus has been on my kids over the last week since my dog was attacked by another dog while my daughter was on a walk with him. They're both going to be fine but it really helped me remember to practice self-care so I can optimally care for others. I have not forgotten or missed my thyroid meds at all which I have done in the past when I've gone into beast-mom-mode. Pretty glad I've made that turn for the better. Looking forward to my next labs as I'm starting to feel more energy (even amidst very little sleep while monitoring my dog's wounds and not much exercise)...hoping I can stay at this dose for a while so I can adjust my nutrition and try whatever's next on this journey.

Happy Fall to you all!

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9/12/19 1:17 P

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Brenner-yea I get legit seasonal affective disorder. I find vitamin D, A and a B complex help a lot. Mine usually lasts from late August through mid-late October. It is also important to force yourself to exercise. I also try to "fake it 'til I make it" and do things like decorate for fall and clean out closets and what not. I want to cry the whole time I'm laying out pumpkins and fall leaves, but I also know the feelings I'm having are not "real" and I am trying to convince myself to be happy.

NTL-you might also try upping your calcium to help with nightly leg cramps. My mom had to have her varicose veins removed...there is some test they can do and make that decision.

ETA: I don't take vitamin A, I just try to eat more orange vegetables.

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Hi Ladies!!

My experience with finding a care provider and one who listens is that it really just depends on the person you see! We were military for 25+ years, traveled overseas twice, and around the states. During that time we not only saw military doctors, but also civilian in civilain clinics and hospitals. It just seems to be so hit and miss as to what you get now days. There are those who will sit and listen to you, talk with you, ask you questions, and take a genuine interest in what you are telling them. Then, there are those who take a medioker interest--they do and dont care, and, then you have the pleasers--they say what they think you want them to say, and give you the drugs they think you want them to give you! The provider I am seeing now is not associated with the military at all. She's a geriatriacist. I put her somewhere between genuinely caring and medioker. She is interested in my back problems and was the only doctor so far to explain to me that it is made up of 3 different types of pain. No other doctor has told me this stuff. I dont blame her for the problems I suffered with the celebrex. I think she truly felt she was doing the right thing putting me on twice a day. She really didnt know how I would react. I feel in the world we live in today, a lot of doctor's are starting to feel their knowledge and know-how is no longer needed as more and more people turn to the internet for answers, or find these docs who do video chats and all of that. Dr. Google to the rescue!

I do have a question for you ladies of my age and older... Varicose veins, night pain, and how you deal if you suffer from it?? I have read so much stuff, on the internet!, and talked with one of my doctors about it. He really didnt know what to tell me. I blamed that on his being male, 31 years old, and not much experience with older patients. I plan to talk with my new doctor about this, but that wont be until December. I was taking the supplement Butcher's Broom for a while. It did and didnt help. I try hard to keep sodium intake down. I also try and eat more foods higher in postassium and magnesium. There for a while we were doing potatoes every other night with supper--ya, burned out on that real fast too!! Hubby and I cant really enjoy potatoes much anymore. LOL. Banana's and I have never gotten along, and the texture makes me gag. V8 juice is fine, but if I am not careful when I drink it, I suffer BAD gas problems and bloating. I am definitely getting old!!! LOL. I do have a wedge pillow that when it gets really bad I haul out and put in the bed. I was just curious how you deal with it if you suffer it....



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I appreciate this team SO MUCH too! I'm missing our fearless SusanSKI and hope she will eventually return to the mix. We have her to thank for initiating this thread.

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I've recently learned that the seasons most definitely impact thyroid function along with other things. Funny how the heat never seemed to be an issue for me until summer 2018. The summer heat has been a true challenge for me the past couple of summers. I've been addressing that challenge (dizziness) with sole, since it appears to be an electrolyte balance issue.

Here's a link regarding sole: wellnessmama.com/12158/make-
sole/


The other thing watched is vitamin D. Those of us living in the northern latitudes may have a need for higher doses of vitamin D during the winter months, when sun exposure is reduced. I live someplace with a lot of sunshine. So, it has not been an issue.

I, too, am fortunate to have a PCP that listens and truly cares about my health and well-being. My OB/GYN is the same. They have both been incredibly supportive in aiding my efforts to address the challenges I'm experiencing.

There have been many times that I have been incredibly frustrated. However, I realize that more often than not there is far more to it than meets my eye! I'm doing a better job of not only granting myself some grace; but, granting that same grace and benefit of the doubt to others.

I really am fortunate to have the care team that I do. And, yes, we need to be our own best advocate.

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Love you ladies and this team so much! I just have to say thank you for giving me something to look forward to every day. Being a single mom of teens, I don't have a lot of options for conversations , especially around these important health issues/questions and you've been a great resource for me.

Still struggling with getting enough to eat when I eat healthier. I go from one extreme to the other ...not enough calories/nutrients/food to spending too much money/time/energy to same old junk I'm trying to avoid. I am thinking of investing in time with a nutritionist so I'm going to start looking at the resources you've already told me about and hope they can help me get enough into a meal plan to sustain me throughout the day/week.

I agree that you need a doctor (almost doesn't matter which kind) who listens to you. While my PCP doesn't know much about hashimotos or hypothyroidism, she listens to me when I ask her for something and I so appreciate that. I now have the perspective that I'm supposed to be my own health advocate, she just needs to help me with what I need. Means more work on the research front and trusting my intuition for what to try next but seems less frustrating than trying to argue with a doctor who thinks they know my own body better than I do.

Another question going through my head is about the seasons. Does anyone do anything differently to help your body prepare for or adjust to the seasons?
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9/5/19 1:31 P

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NTL: My experience with an endocrinologist was dreadful. So bad that my husband asked when we left if I was sure he was a real doctor. It was BAAAD. You don't need an endo, you need a good doctor that is familiar with thyroid issues and ultimately...LISTENS TO THEIR PATIENTS!! Because they are all capable of doing the research to learn about how to treat you.

Good luck with the going NSAID free. I wish I had better advice than meditate. LOL!! But my experience with opioids, narcotics, and one doctor even tried an antidepressant. I'd rather be in pain than deal with those side effects. And since my side effect with NSAIDS is bleed to death...well I guess no on that one too. I even had a doctor yell at me because I refused to take anything but Tylenol and advil (before I knew I couldn't).

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There is gut and adrenal testing awaiting for me. I need to get on it!

Thanks for sharing your experience about the zinc keeping you awake WYOJEN. I'll keep that in mind!

I have had several days in a row with much less sleep than is typical for me. I'm not quite sure what to make of it. I have my annual visit with the PCP & OB/GYN soon. And, the PCP does testing annually; so, we shall see how things go.

I'm wondering if the TSH is too low and I'm moving into the hyper territory. That's happened a number of times for me. So, maybe a dose reduction will come. And, the sleep disruption may be entirely unrelated to the TSH.

Anyway, I think I'm going to turn in early tonight because I'm feeling incredibly tired. There's a potential for dry lightening tonight. Hoping the atmospheric disruption will pass on through without any fires started. I'm thankful that we've had a very quiet fire season thus far. Last repot, quietest the state (California) has seen in 20 years!

Okay, good night all emoticon

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Happy September ladies!!! Now if the fall weather would only get here!! 96 here today with a heat index of 101. And summer drags on....and on....and on.... SIGH.

I am gonna try to go for a while without any anti inflammatory medication and see what happens. I will still take my 1 tramadol with supper daily, and use the Voltaren gel on my lower back. The Celebrex is not only causing the spotting issues, but also the stomach pains, so I need to make the stuff just be a thing of my past now. Good grief.

WYOJEN--Hey, was wondering where you were!! I am post menopausal and in my mid 50s. I dont go in again unti December for blood work with my doctor, and she is not an endochronolgist, so as it was stated, running the 3T and 4 tests prolly wont change much of anything for me if she has no clue what the results mean! I will be curious to see where my results really fall, given this is a new doctor, and as I have already discovered, everyone's ranges seem to be different when it comes to TSH and where "normal" is. The military is up to 5.0 being normal, the VA was up to 4.8... When I showed the results to this new doctor I started seeing in May, she said "Oh, those both are higher than where our normal falls here". I have no clue what I might be in for. I just hope I can stay on this dosage, because the 75mg put me into the hyper catagory and over dosed me doing it! I take 50 right now.

Had a nice Labor Day visit with our daughter and her family. My grand baby is 2 years old now. Man, has the time just flown by. She is a very energtic and typical toddler!

Hope you all are doing well and feeling okay. emoticon



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Oh and I was going to add supplements I take:
Morning:
Zinc, Selenium, B-complex (I can't take Zinc at nigh, it keeps me awake)
Evening:
Calcium, magnesium, Omega, D, Milk Thistle

I get some seasonal depression/anxiety and I think the B-complex is helping the most.

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I can't believe I haven't posted since July!! I tried to read through everything...not sure I got everything:

Brenner: how is the anti inflammatory diet going for you?

NTL: I had to request a full spectrum thyroid test. And even then the spectrum of T3 being "normal" is so huge that unless your doctor really knows what they are look at they might pass on it being normal. I don't know your age, but for pre-menopause your T3 is supposed to be in the upper 1/4 or the range to be normal. Basically if your TSH is normal, but your are still having symptoms of hypothyroid, you should request it to be checked. It was a game changer for me with my energy.

Jeanie-yeah on cancer free!!

As for me, my low fat/high fiber diet continues to produce loss. I am under 150 for the first time in two years and in a few more pounds I will have lost 15 pounds since last august. I also went and raided that natural foods grocery store here in my town to find soy free bread products. I kind of had a lazy summer regarding fitness, but changed up my routine last week and that is helping. I'm also being cautious about leg exercises so I don't throw out my back. But this GENIUS remembered how they made me sleep with a pillow between my legs when I was pregnant and that actually seems to promote healing and help a lot when things get flared up. I also had some oral surgery a few weeks ago which kind of messed up the high fiber stuff since I could pretty much just eat soup and oatmeal and yogurt and pasta. LOL!!

I go to get my mammogram on the 19th (first one) and then I'm off for an annual physical with the doc. I plan to talk with them about my weight loss struggles and discoveries this past year.

Oh and as far as pain killers, I take a little Tylenol and that's it. I hemorrhaged with a miscarriage very badly and was told to only take IBprofen or any NSAID very rarely. Plus when my thyroid is wonk I get ulcers. I have a history with chronic pain (endometriosis and chronic appendicitis) and decided to take the route of meditation and yoga to cope with pain. These aren't the same as stenosis, but that has been my method. I do have a pretty insane pain tolerance as a result...like when I had my son I kept wondering when the pain was going to get bad. LOL!! Personally I had a hell of a lot more pain when I had a bowel obstruction in my early 20s.

That was more long winded that planned...LOL!!

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Happy September ladies! I'm choosing to have a great day and stay positive amid all the pills and levels and confusion about how it all interacts. I got my TSH back and even though it's in the normal range, my gut tells me (hmmm...perhaps a pun there works about my gut health) that I need to change the dosage so I asked my doctor to go back to the original dosage which is a little higher than what I'm at. She agreed to try it and we'll re-evaluate after the next lab in 6-8 weeks. Worth a try! Does anyone else do more tests for gut health or checking your adrenals? I have heard that is what I should do next but unsure where to start other than google.

Hope you all have a great week!

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The T3 and T4 do not get run for me either. The only time anything other than TSH was run was when the synthetic thyroid hormones were not working for me. Then, they were run and the medication was changed.

I also take vitamin D and have for years. Both my PCP and OB/GYN advised that I supplement with it years ago. In recent years since working with the clinical nutritionist the dose has been increased. I take 5000 IU per day in two doses of 2500 IU. Following my husband's shoulder surgery his orthopedic surgeon was monitoring his vitamin D levels and had him taking 10,000 IU per day for awhile. I don't remember how long.

My vitamin D levels have never been low which actually surprised my doctor. Apparently, it is not at all unusual for folks to have low vitamin D levels. And, I've learned that all of my siblings have low vitamin D levels.

Ironically, the sun worshipper in the family has the lowest levels. But, she also slathers on the sunscreen and I do not. I'm in the sun early in the day or late in the day unprotected and indoors, covered up, or in the shade during the most intense periods of the day.

I have also been supplementing with the methylated form of B-12 for a number of years and those blood levels are also good. My ferritin may have been checked during the year that the hematologist was trying to determine why my WBC was so low. But, I do not have and cannot see those results online. I need to request a copy of all the testing the hematologist did.

I do know that my RBC, hematocrit and hemoglobin levels have always been good except during the very early years of my life. I do not believe that I have ever taken or been told to supplement with iron. I am a meat eater though and that may have something to do with it. I know that B-12 tends to be more of an issue with vegans/vegetarians. I was a vegetarian for 10+ years and even then my RBC, hematocrit and hemoglobin levels were fine. Don't know that B-12 was ever tested at that point.



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I dont know why that test has never been run... I was being seen in a military clinic though, so maybe it is budget something or other like so many other things are! Been there, done it. LOL.

I was told by my new doctor who isnt in the miltary clinic that because I am post menopausal I am not to have iron supplements, or take vitamins with iron in them, as women my age and older do not need all the extra iron. What I get from meat is good enough. That is what she told me. I am making a list of questions to take along when I see her next regarding the Vit D and that where the synthroid is concerned. Not sure if she will do the T3 and 4 testing or not.

I feel left out of the loop where all this throid stuff is concerned!!

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I have been hearing a lot about how so many things can help your body use thyroid hormones better. The ones I've found key for my body are vitamins D, B12, and ferretin(iron). While I've not had problems with my T3 or T4, you should always get those checked too, can help you and your doctor determine if you need additional medications or supplements to make the optimal combination for your body.

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That is interesting Brenda... Vit D and being low. I came up low too the last time I had blood work done. It has me wondering now if the synthroid doesnt play into it somehow. I have a friend who has the same issue. I did say something to my doctor about it, and she told me that naitionwide there is a problem now with Vit D and people not getting enough of it. Sunshine used to be the immediate go-to for it, but even that isnt the answer anymore. Never mind the skin cancer aspect of that! She told me to continue drinking my 3 cups of milk daily and for the time being we wont worry about it. I also do take a multi vitamin daily that contains Vit D. If you get too much you can get sick, so she is very hesitant at this point to put me on straight Vit D. I am gonna question how synthroid might play into this because I have heard this before from other thyroid patients.

T4 free and T3 have never been run on me. Do those make a big difference for getting your medication right?

Weather changes here again in the past couple of days, so my back is loudly telling me about it! Post-op appt this afternoon, so I am going to talk with her about the celebrex causing issues. All I know is whether I start taking it again, or something else, I have to get back on something for the inflammation. The pain the last few nights has been horrible. I told my hubby last night I am just ready to have everything from under the boobs removed!! Give me a new everything boobs down--flatter, thinner stomach, less hips, no butt, thinner thighs, feet with no issues, and straight spine with no problems! Dont I dream big!!!! LOL. emoticon

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So I'm learning to laugh at everything in life because I don't need to cause any more stress in my body than all of these doctor appointments are already causing. Last week they took so much blood for so many tests and guess which one they forgot to do...TSH! Had to go back in yesterday to give more blood for that test and I'm still laughing that my doctor didn't get that one confirmed. One thing I did find out is that my vitamin D levels are deficient again (had this about 5 or 6 years ago). We'll do the same regimen that worked then, 15000 units for 3 months and then daily 2000-3000 for a year. Wondering if I should just stay on it, can I get too much vitamin D?

To comment on your question about other tests, there are a lot of recommended lab work websites out there if you google it. The ones I've continued to be interested in might be different than what you may need or are interested in because of your own levels and complex needs. I've always asked for the vitamin D, magnesium, vitamin B12, ferretin (iron), T4 Free, T3 Total, and a complete metabolic panel which includes calcium, glucose, and cholesterol. Just helps me manage my meds and nutrition needs to have a more complete picture and if they're going to take the blood anyway, might as well put it to good use!

In agreement about only one med, that would be a dream...currently taking 4 on top of daily vitamins (which are about 9 pills a day now to try something new). Always amazed at what our bodies can handle!

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I take 1 (one) tramadol a day...with supper, just so I can sit and watch TV comfortably. Been like this since 2013 when my doctor in MO first started me on it---back then the opioid craziness isnt what it is today! By the time I go to bed, its worn off, so it does just what I need it too. We get these weather fronts, and because stenosis is a form of arthritis, my lower back goes berserk. My doctor here told us that stenosis pain is made up of 3 different pains--nerve pain from the pressure the bone puts onto the nerves in the spine, muscle pain, and then bone pain. She said because of the degree I am at with it all, a mild to moderate pain killer is what I need. She said she puts many stenosis patients on it, because along with a good anti inflammatory, it allows the patient to be comfortable for a few hours. She put me on celebrex but now we are thinking that may have been what was causing the spotting and bleeding I saw the GYN for. I have my post-op with her this coming week and plan to have that conversation with her--pick her brain a little and see what she knows about that being a possible. If she says yes, I may have to see my regular doc again and see about getting changed to something like Mobic. emoticon

I had told my doc here that I wanted off the tramadol. Her response was an anti iinflammatory alone prolly wouldnt do much for me, given where things are with the stenosis itself. Unfortunately, most pain killers do fall under that heading of either narcotic, or opioid.
She also told me and hubby that the surgeries for stenosis are becoming less and less now because they discovered that as they raise this set of discs and bones in one area, another one shifts in a few years, and it becomes a never-ending situation. A lot of spinal doctors are moving away from surgery now. I am okay with that because I have Lordosis as well, and surgery was always a larger risk for me of being paralysed after.

I am wondering something. ... you have talked about this blood test with the 3T and 4T and all of that. I have never ever had that done. They just did THS and something else and decided with that result to put me on synthroid. I am not due for bloodwork until December time frame. Did you ask for these extra tests or are they only done by endochronologists or how did you come about to have them? Is that how they came to put you on Armour Thyroid?

Yes, I know all about people who go up to Canada for laser eyeball surgery!... my SIL who lives up in WI did it a couple of years ago! Its a thing now days. I know people who go up there for RX drugs too.

I used the VA for a good year (hubby and I are both prior military) here before I started seeing the doctor I am right now. I now use her instead, mostly because she is here in town and I dont have to drive but a mile or so! I was getting my scripts filled thru the VA for a while though. Now its back to the military base. We have the retired military insurance so we can get our drugs from that pharmacy without charge. VA was free as well. I can either use a doctor off post, or on the base. For right now I am liking and happy with this doctor. My age, and her speciality is geriatrics. No kids at all running around while you wait to be seen! She only sees older people, and thus knows all about the conditions we suffer. Its great.

I wish I was like you an only one RX medication a day. That is truly something to be happy about Jean. emoticon



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I'm happy that I've not had a need for prescription pain killers because too many in my immediate family have had adverse reactions (some quite serious) to various prescription pain killers.

The only prescription I'm on is Armour thyroid. I cannot even remember the last time I took even an OTC medication. My doc was very reluctant to put me on Armour thyroid decades ago for the reasons AquaGirl shared. For me, Armour thyroid seems to work incredibly well.

Each of us have our own unique body chemistries. And, what can be a wonder drug for another can be a killer.

Where one lives does make a difference. Regulations are different. Services available are different. Costs are different.

I live in California and it is not unusual for folks here to cross the border into Mexico for medical treatment and prescriptions or fly to Asia for medical services.

We have relatives living in Washington state and many there used to cross the northern border and go to Canada to give birth until Canada put an end to it because too many from the U.S. were suing their OB/GYNs. Not sure if that is still the case or not.

We have another relative that's an optometrist and they've lived in North Dakota and Montana. Not unusual for folks there to cross the border into Canada for laser eye surgeries.

We used to have far more military bases than we do now; but, we still have multiple VA hospitals and bases in our region. My late BIL often used both his VA and civilian medical insurances for medical treatment.


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On the topic of Tramadol... I too have read the internet, and the websites that say Ultram/Tramadol is a narcotic, and also an opioid. There are a lot of them out there, that's for sure!! I have learned after traveling with the military for many years, that depending on where you live, and how they clasiify things in state you live in, it may or may not be considered an actual opioid. There is a difference between a narcotic classificiation, and an opioid classification. ID card needed to pick it up an RX is another one that it depends on where you live, and what that state's regulations are. I can tell you that the military/federal government still does not classify tramadol as an opioid. They use it as a pain killer, and give it out like ibuprofen and other drugs. It is classified as a oral analgesic in the pharmacy formularies, a step lower than opioid meds, like morphine, fentanal, etc.

Not all doctor's are on board yet with it being an opioid either. My doctor, for instance, flat out agrees with pharmacists that its not really there. The addiction people get on the stuff is mental, not physical. They cannot believe they can be put on something else or will do well without it. The "withdrawal" they go thru is mental uncertainty. No shakes or sweats and all of that kind of stuff.

I have been taking tramadol since 2013. I have lived in 2 different states while being prescribed it. Both states continue to view and treat it differently with precriptions and what is required. It definitly is not a one size fits all country wide yet! The bottles I get dont have any addiction warnings on them at all... and mine come out of a military pharmacy--which is federal government standards. The same with the VA and their scripts for it. As I said, its a state by state thing right now, not national, and a lot of mixed thoughts and feelings about it can be found on the internet and all over. My doctor is a civilian, not military, and does not work on the base in our town. Has her own office and is not affiliated with the military or government at all.


When it comes to drugs and how they are prescribed and given out, every state is different. Where I currently live, we can no longer buy Sudafed without presenting a script for it. Where we used to live, and where my oldest child lives, a driver's lisence is all one needs at the Walmart counter to get a box of the real stuff! We can buy the fake stuff here with no problems, but not the real stuff. Different states, different rules.

As I said not everything you read on these various websites is reality!!

Tramadol is listed as an analgesic in the military forumulary, not as Opioid agonist or Opioid analgesic. Its in the same catagory as Tylenol. Not in the same catagory as morhpine, percoset, and the Oxy club! The Federal Gov. does not view it as a opioid. The media, however, is another story, and tends to put things where they dont really belong.







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Hi Everyone,

I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents worth. My doctor didn't put me on Armor thyroid because it's too difficult to control the T-3, reverse T-3, T-4 and reverse T-4 levels. Instead, he added Cytomel to my Synthroid. Then, he monitors all of my other levels and makes adjustments as needed.

As for Tramadol, it is now considered an opioid. I believe the classification changed maybe this past January? I had a doctor prescribe it for me in March and it requires an ID in order to pick it up. (It makes me sick so it's pretty much useless) It used to be classified as non addictive. Now, the label has all kinds of warnings on it and actually comes right out and says it's addictive. It also says on the label, "Caution, this medication is an opioid".

Of all of the Spark members on this team, Jeanknee is the most knowledgeable. She is a terrific resource. She researches everything!

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T, Great news!!! No cancer cells! emoticon

Brenner, I rely on intuition and what I call "body guidance" a lot! I do research, read and work the health care team supporting me. But, sometimes I really just need to go with my "gut". Seriously, it has been much trial and error.

And, have to agree with you T about the information available to us. What's credible?

It also seems to me that we are each unique and what works for me is not necessarily going to work for others. That being said, I've still benefited from the experience of others.

Brenner, I can relate to the 10 vials of blood being drawn. Had that done recently myself.

And, T, my mom used to refer to the phlebotomists as vampires. emoticon


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Woo Hoo! Sooo glad you got the results sooner than Friday and that there were no cancer cells found!!! Very Happy Day!

I completely agree that sometimes there are too many opinions and too much information out there. I also believe in my own intuition enough to try something either on my own or with a doctor's approval. Every person is different and their body is so unique that no matter what is out there on google, it could work for you if you believe in it and give it an honest try. I have only come to this belief by seeing both good and bad or BS information out there too. That's one thing I'm happily finding as I age - that it's easier to see the sales pitches and getting easier to say no to them.

Congrats again on the good news! Definitely something to celebrate. emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon

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Morning! Results came back and no cancer cells were found. THANK GOODNESS! I do still have to go in for the post-op appt because the GYN wants to talk with me abour "other possible causes for the spotting" and if she feels removal is needed. I am just hoping that after last weeks D&C, things will stay as they should now, and the spotting wont be an issue any longer.

I find that "Dr. Google" and the vast amount of information available online now days confuses the issues even more when it comes to food, dieting, inflammation, what's good, what's not, etc. An example of what I am talking about is they found a small kidney stone in the CT scan they did a couple of months ago on me. Several websites indicate the cause is usually salt, protein, eating good amounts of things like spinach, kale, and other greens, potassium, and calcium. A couple websites I browsed suggested Cranberry juice being a huge culprit... People who eat a lot of protein and consume animal proteins in general usually are found to have kidney stones. Calcium is a culprit, but what was interesting about that is several websites indicated dairy calcium is not a problem for kidney stones because it can help prevent them before hitting the kidney. Other websites say just the oppostie and that milk, ice cream, cheeses, etc should be avoided. Some sites say its a family thing, hereditary. Others indicate a large amount of people get them yearly and have nothing to do with genetics at all... Some websites indicate stones can stay in the kidneys for years and never get larger...some say they get larger the longer they stay put... Some say a vast amount of water will flush them out, while others say most need to be removed surgically, no matter how large or small they are. What does one believe?!?!
Inflammation and all the foods that are supposedly great to reduce arthritic inflammation in the joints and inflammation in general. And depending on how you word it in the search line, other websites will tell you not to eat some of the same foods at all because they make inflammation worse, not better. And you sit there and go "hmmmmmm" as you sigh deeply not knowing what in the hell is real and what isnt!
It just seems like the internet is full of too many opinions on what is good and what isnt, and not enough reality. Its truly hard to know anymore what will help with what, and what wont.

Bren-- its great that your doctor is willing to run the tests (even if he/she has a dracula complex going on there with 10 vials!!) and try to get things figured out for you that way. I wish more doctors now days would be more invested in their patients and willing to spend the time trying to honestly help them. I hope you get some results that give you some reality, and that he/she can focus on the solution better with those results.

Still suffering excessive heat where I live. Warnings are up again today from 1-9PM. Unreal. Fall cannot come soon enuf!

Be good everyone! T

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Thanks NTL. Your two cents is worth way more than that! I completely agree about the forum as a place to both vent and rest from, it's such a blessing as are you and Jeanne and everyone on here offering support, encouragement, and a communal bond.

I'm amazed at how many options there are for relieving inflammation (as well as how many things can cause it!) and am hoping to find a remedy to help alleviate mine. I met with my primary doctor yesterday and they took about 10 tubes of blood for more tests and then she'll make the decision on how much to increase my thyroid meds and whether or not to add a water pill solution (didn't say exactly what she'll be recommending which is refreshing that she'll wait for the tests to confirm).

Food is finicky. I have noticed that I bloat less if I don't eat bread, white potatoes, rice or pasta. Just like my sensitivity to sulfites (no more than one red thing eaten a day), I am trying to minimize rather than exclude, seems to work better for me. It doesn't however seem to make a different in my inflammation though, just the bloating around my upper half so I get what you mean about food not helping that way.I feel more energetic and less tired physically when I eat proteins and raw greens, it's just hard to sustain when life gets busy so I'm working on it.

Hope your pain continues to subside and the results come back okay. I'll be praying for you this week, hope that's okay.

To both of you: thank you for your candor on here and for giving me a place to discuss things. I'm grateful to share experiences and hear advice from others!

Have a wonderful week!
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Hi Brenner and Jean!

Just wanted to toss in my two cents... some of the best therapy around when it just seems like everything hits at once is to vent in a forum of this nature. Talking it out and talking yourself thru some of lifes problems helps is many ways. And, we all need our breaks once in a while too from social forums and stuff. It can go both ways!!

I am on celebrex twice daily for my inflammation with my lower back. I personally have never had much luck with food helping to reduce inflammation. Water retention and drinking a LOT of water yes, but food never seems to help much for me personally. I know of people though who have had great success with changing a few things in their daily intake and lowering some inflammation. I have also been told it depends on what type of inflammation, where, and so forth. I hope Jean's advice works for you as it has for her.

I am recuperating today after the D&C yesterday. Some light cramping, spotting, and pain from the catheter. I called the nurse about the last one, with the burning, and she suggested AZO tablets and lots and lots of fluids. Right now things are apparently spasming yet, thus the pain. If it continues into tomorrow, I am to call back and will prolly be given antibiotics just in case I have a UTI starting up. There were antibiotics in the darn IV drip, but. I didnt even know they were gonna do this to me. I woke up in recovery asking why things were burning down there and was told it was from the catheter coming out. I was like "CATHETER????"

The results from pathology wont be back until prolly Friday or Monday. Fingers crossed nothing is wrong. Right now the GYN thinks the spotting i was suffering was due to hormone rush, which can happen at any pont after one goes thru menopause. Not unheard of at all. It can also cause the lining to thicken, which is my problem. So, we shall see. Keeping my fingers and toes crossed nothing is wrong.

The heat here has finally gone back down to normal for August, as well as the humidity. Last week was horrible, and then Monday and Tuesday, with heat indexes at 115. Miserable. I am all too ready for FALL. School started here today, so that is step one for going into Fall!!

Hope you are all doing well otherwise. Nice to see some posts out here again. Be good!!



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Thanks Jeanne! I appreciate hearing your experience and will give the raw greens and protein a try again.

I've been monitoring my water intake, adding more quality vitamins, and putting my feet up as much as possible but it doesn't seem to be doing the trick anymore. I have slowly been changing my eating habits again but it's a struggle to do when I'm taking care of others right now too (have a 92 year old aunt in a lot of pain and a daughter having surgery this week).

I left a message for my primary care doctor today to see if there's more I can do and am going to go grocery shopping tonight for some greens and protein.

Finally getting a brace for my problematic knee today and getting back into the pool for water therapy now that the pool maintenance has been done.

All in good time. :)

Thanks again. Mood lifted and smile renewed!

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Brenner, Please feel free to share your struggles. I understand the need to pull away from time to time too. So, do what supports you best. emoticon

How do you address the inflammation? I'm curious because there are a number of things that have supported me:

1. Several days of raw greens and protein. These can be green smoothies and/or lean meat with greens. It was recommended that I steer clear of oils during this time as well. So, I'd use lemon on the greens. It's amazing how much water my body can dump, when the inflammation has ramped up and I put this into action.

2. Curcumin (it's an extract of turmeric)

3. Fish oil

My sister had something similar happening recently and then, it shifted quickly. She was also feeling incredibly impatient waiting for the 6 week retest period to elapse because she was so uncomfortable. I think they have her using compression stockings too. Not sure if she's still using them or not.

I tried unsuccessfully to reintroduce chickpeas. Darn it! I purchased some Sabra hummus that looked really safe. It wasn't. I suspect it has to do with how the chickpeas were cooked. I've apparently done fine with Eden Foods garbanzo beans; but, I know Eden Foods pressure cooks their beans.

I need to give my body some time to calm down. I increased my intake of greens, curcumin and fish oil for a few days following the reaction. The body is calming back down. Eventually, I'll purchase another can of Eden Foods garbanzo beans and make my own hummus. But, it isn't going to be soon. I like to give my body a break when it's had a reaction to something. Otherwise, it can really mess with my gut balance and I don't want that happening.

Good to hear from you Brenner. Hope the inflammation settles down and your medication dose gets dialed in sooner rather than later. emoticon



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Haven't posted much in the last week because I feel like such a downer. Going through the motions and know that it takes time but really impatient and disappointed because I know that my current med level is not enough but have to wait until that six week period to retest and get it changed. I'm also having so much inflammation that I can barely stand or sit with my feet not elevated. I realized I've not been sharing much and today I thought I should because you have all been so supportive and I would want to hear if you're struggling so I could be supportive too!

Hope you are all having a great week!

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I wish the referral to a dietician would be granted too.

It has been a process of trial and error for me. Having guidance from the clinical nutritionist has helped. Where she's been a big help is with identifying and addressing food allergies / intolerances / sensitivities.



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I have asked about Armour Thyroid, and 2 different doctors in different locations have told me it is not available in this area. The doctor I am seeing now said something about my being on BP medication and that the Synthroid is the safer thyroid medication to take with BP meds??... I checked the formulary for the military installation where I get my scripts filled and they do not have Armour Thyroid. I have read on forums that people think its a great drug, works well, etc. I have also read that its not available everywhere. As for the weight gain and the synthroid, my mouth dropped when I was told this. So why do you have me on this again??!! Its got a sodium base to bring the chemicals together, and like naproxen and other soidum based medications, can cause water retention to happen, etc. I think some folks prolly are more sensative to it than others. I dont think that is my problem at all with not being able to lose weight though. I also have a feeling that what I was told was more of a boiler plate answer than it was being real.

The Tramadol is listed as an analgesic in the Air Force forumulary, not as Opioid agonist or Opioid analgesic. Its in the same catagory as Tylenol. Not in the same catagory as morhpine, percoset, and the Oxy club! The Federal Gov. does not view it as a opioid. The media, however, is another story, and tends to put things where they dont really belong.

That is where my husband went with the pain thing too--exhausting, draining, and no energy or motivation to be active enough to really burn calories. When you gotta be so careful that you dont "cross the line" on any given day with what you do or for how long, you just walk around on eggshells, and tend to be more sedintary because of what you will suffer if you dont! I really wish my doctor would refer me to see a dietician though because somewhere in all of this there is a right amount of calories for me to take in that will allow me to lose some weight, but not starve myself doing it.





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Yeah. I hear you about things changing in the past 8 years. I was wondering if the tramadol was a *true* opiod or not. I'm glad it helps alleviate the stenosis pain.

I know those of us with hypothyroidism struggle to lose weight because a sluggish thyroid essentially slows every system in the body. Had not heard that synthetic thyroid contributed to weight gain. That's a new one for me. The synthetic thyroid did not help my thyroid at all. I'm taking Armour thyroid. I've also been told that replacement medication for hypothyroidism cannot replace a healthy, functioning thyroid. The medication helps. But, it is not the same as having a fully functional thyroid.

The sense your husband has about pain slowing the body down, makes sense to me. Pain is exhausting and saps the body of energy. Only stands to reason that something that drains energy would slow the body down.

The only thing I've heard from doctors related to pain and weight gain has to do with pain preventing folks from exercising or moving enough to support weight loss.

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Hi Jean. I read the article, and then realized its almost 8 years old! This is not to say that there is no valuable information in it, but I tend to wonder how much has changed in the past 8 years since it was written?.... Also, I guess at this point it needs to stated that I take 1 tramadol tablet daily. Tramadol technically is not in the opioid family, and not on the governments list of opioids. Whereas things like fentanyl, OxiContin, and others are very addictive drugs, Tramadol is not. Tramadal can be abused, but only in the sense that its a mental thing for withdrawal verus the physical withdrawal symptoms one goes thru when addicted to and coming off of something like Oxi. People who take a lot of Tramadol during the course of a day, or daily, believe they cannot survivie without it when taken off of it. They go thru a period of days where its a mental thing, but they generally wont suffer sweats and all of that kind of stuff because the drug itself is not really in that class of drugs.
I have literally told my doctor that if I can be put on something else to help control the pain I suffer at the end of the day from my lower back problems, I will be more than happy to stop using the Tramadol and go for it. My doctor is like other than a good anti inflammatory, there really isnt anything to help with the pain. She said Tramadol isnt what everyone wants to think it is, its a good pain killer, and many people with stenosis and other types of arthrtiic pain are continaully put on it.

I have asked about weight gain and my taking it. I have talked with 3 pharmacists about this, and also a couple of MD's. All of them pretty much say the same thing--because its technically not an opioid, and because I only take 1 daily, the likelyhood that is impacting my ability to lose weight is slim to none. I was actually told by one of the pharmacists that the synthroid/levothyroxine sodium that I take prolly impacts my weight "issues" more than the tramadol or any of my other prescription drugs do! Hormones again.

Protein and fiber seem to be the end-all-be-all right now for weight loss. Its like years ago when low fat was the bullet for weight loss. I mean, that's all you heard was low fat this and low fat that and lose weight, and the forumla for figuring out fat grams and, and, and. Now days just about every weight loss plan, like weight watcher's for example, is tuned into the protein and fiber thing. Reduce sugars, carbs. Protein and fiber both take longer to digest, so you dont feel hungry and go longer without eating. And there are other benefits from eating proteins and fibers of course as well!

Back to the article and eating more protein... I usually eat 2 meals daily that includes meat/protein. I am not a big carb eater at all. I have never been one to crave sweets. I can go days without them actually! I use Sparks to track and log and as I said, I come in many days at or just under total calories, but always hit the protein mark right on.

My husband feels that the pain itself slows the body down in how it works, and that contributes to some inability to lose weight effectively and keeping it off. I was just curious if others knew anything about this, have been told this maybe by a doctor, or experience the same thing???

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Posting a link to an article regarding pain, opiod use and weight gain.

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Good Morning!

Hubby and I were talking yesterday about getting older, all of our aches and pains now days, diagnosed conditiions/problems and the weight loss. One question that neither one of us really understand is if pain is somewhat attached to the inability to lose weight? He seems to feel strongly that my lower back problems and the chronic pain I am in contriubute a great deal to my inability to lose weight. Stenosis is made up of 3 types of pain--bone pain, muscle pain, and nerve pain. While some is inflammation, not all of it is. Anyway, I was just kinda curious what any of you may know about this---chronic pain and how it directly or indirectly affects ones ability to lose weight. I will say that I am not typically an emotional eater, or one that binges. Often people want to attach not feeling well with comfort foods and over eating them, but I have lived with this now for almost 10 years. I am more curious about the anatomy part of it all I guess and how pain affects things like weight loss and the bodies ability to lose weight.



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Hey Jean!! Ok.. Let's see here. Water retention and the summer heat. I live in central ARK. HUMID as the day is long, temps in the mid and upper 90s, heat indexes sometimes as high as 115 degrees, and no rain for weeks on end. This pretty much starts up in July and doesnt really quit until early October ish. It gets so blasted hot here in the summer months that our grass literally goes dormant (even kinda turns brown--its all Bermuda grass which is a southern grass that can withstand a lot of drought), and my rose bushes look like hell because they go dormant as well. I have lived in El Paso when hubby was still in the Army, as well as in AZ south of Tucson, where its a dry heat. That really never bothered me like this crap here does! We are not in a bad ozone area or any of that. Its just hot and humid--sauna type weather. I have noticed too that since menopause, and also my thyroid being a problem, I suffer a lot more hot flashes in the summer months than I do in the winter months. I was told that was due to hormonal changes and it changing brain chemistry and my internal thermostat. Apparently thyroid medication can have an impact on people with weather and how thier body reacts.... Anyway, I retain water real well in the summer months, and no so much in the colder months. I have told my doctor about it, and she just looks at me and says "welcome to the club!" She's basically my age, and has lived here all her life. I am originally from Wisconsin, have lived on the east coast, overseas, IL, MO, TX, AZ and now here. This is by far the worst place we have ever lived when it comes to summer weather. The heat just and humidity takes its toll on everyone really fast. No appetitie, tired feeling, moodiness, etc. I mean it goes on for weeks and weeks. We break heat records here, which is just mind boggling to me. Water retention is not unheard of around here.

High cholesterol drugs are those you shouldnt eat grapefruit with. Hubby. He still does, but only once in a while just to get in his "fix". He has that problem, I dont. I have the high BP problem.

I dont eat differently really in the summer than other months. I dont cook as much in the house or I should say in the oven as I do in the cooler month and we grill year round here and really always have no matter where we were stationed. I watch my salt intake as a rule year round because of the high BP medication and have for years. Its an external temperture thing and how my body reacts. When it cools down outside, I do better with weight loss and can sleep at night and I just feel 100% better. Most people say that in this climate/area. My 27 year old who is not over weight at all told me last night how drained he is feeling right now because of the damn hot weather. It takes its toll on the human body.

I do take a multi vitamin for women over 50, the probiotics, and the Leg Vein stuff. My OTC collection is equal to my RX collection in bottles! Syntroid, Lisinopril, Tramadol.

Feel free to ask questions, or make comments. It doesnt bother me at all and I enjoy the conversation!







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NTL, So true about interactions between supplements and medications! Certain foods can create issues with medication too! I don't remember which medication it was; but, my mother was not allowed to eat grapefruit.

I have never supplemented without guidance/direction from health care professionals. Everything I'm taking has been medically directed.

Given that you've not been as lucky with supplementation, I have to wonder if you fall within the 40% of the population with methylation defects. Those of us within that population are unable to utilize many of the supplements sold OTC because they are not in what's known as their co-factor form. So, when many say "Supplements don't work for me." they're right! Because what they've used is not in a form the body can utilize.

I'm not sure if I've ever seen B-complex vitamins available OTC in the forms contained within the supplement I take. I was fortunate to have a nutritionist educate me regarding such things when I was in my early 30's and coming off a very challenging decade during my 20's with multiple ER visits due to medication / chemical / food allergies / intolerances / sensitivities which resulted in several anaphylaxis reactions.

I am happy to hear the stress has diminished with the adult child moving out of the house. emoticon

Your experience with the summer water retention intrigues me. Until recently I'd never really thought too much about summer heat impacting my health and well-being. I've grown up in an area with temperatures that routinely rise above 110 degrees in the summer. I've lived with it all my life. The heat is a dry heat. I don't find it particularly unbearable. But, it sure seems to throw my body for a loop!

Are you eating different foods during the summer than you routinely eat throughout the rest of the year? Do you live in an area with reduced air quality during the summer? Sometimes there are factors impacting us that really are beyond our immediate control. So, we do the best we can to take steps to support ourselves like drinking water.

For me, too much fruit can give my body grief. And, when I'm retaining water, increasing my consumption of greens and protein tends to aid the body in releasing the water. I can easily do that by making green smoothies. I have found high quality protein powders to be incredibly supportive. Using a good protein powder along with raw greens, fruit, some coconut milk and a healthy fat can go a long way in supporting my efforts to shed underlying inflammation and its associated water retention.

Keep taking care of you. So good to have you back!



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Jean--I take a probiotic supplement, and a supplement for my varicose veins. I have to be somewhat careful because of the blood pressure meds I am on, and also because I am other meds for my lower back problems. When I started the one for the legs and veins, my doctor did a check to insure that this supplement would not interfere negatively with the blood pressure medication or cause adverse reactions. There are several that will do that, and it became kind of an eye opener for me that I cant just go out and buy supplements "blindly" and use them thinking I will be fine. Some folks have no problems or issues using supplements and find they work quite well for them. I dont seem to be as lucky....

A lot of my stress has now moved out of the house! Ya, I said that. LOL. Having an adult child live with you and not be overly interested in being on their own causes a lot of problems.

I have been trying harder this week to keep logging my foods and paying closer attention to what I am eating. I dont know if it will help or not. I say that because I retain a lot of water during these hot summer months, and I wish I could just drain it somehow!!! I feel like a huge water balloon. LOL. You do what you gotta do and go forward. I drink almost a gallon of straight water daily, because they say drink water to lose water. Ya, well, okay. LOL.



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NTL, Best wishes with the D&C and biopsy. Went through something similar 15 years ago and dealing with another gynecological situation with cancer potential. It's my third. They've all been gynecological; but, different.

I have often said that stress is my Achilles' heel. I'm working to address that situation with something called DNRS (Dynamic Neural Retraining System). A medical doctor advised me to do it.

Finding a dietician to support the specifics of your situation would be great! The folks at Wellness Resources have been a tremendous nutritional resource for me. There is a lot of information available online. They also have Wellness Consultants available to assist folks with specific questions. It is not a patient-doctor type of relationship. They're guides. I love their nutritional supplements.

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Hi Jean. When I did the other WW plan, back in 08-10, I was still able to ride my bike 6 days a week and really put on some mileage doing it. I was burning a lot of calories!! I know that exercise and portion control go hand in hand for weight loss too, and one without the other, for some people, makes weight loss damn near impossible! I continually go up and down the same 3 pounds on the scale. Maintaining my weight real well, no matter how well I do with calories, or how active I am able to be without being in pain afterward. I have been doing the same 3 pounds thing for the past 3 years! When I was over-dosed on the Synthroid, I finally lost 15 pounds...when I was put on less of it, and my thryoid was in the "normal" range again, I gained the weight back, and my doctor at the time told me that would happen. Sigh. Somewhere there is a trick for me to be able to lose weight effectively. I just havent stumbled onto it yet. Part of why I'd like to go see a dietician is to have the conversation about weight loss, food, and not really being able to exercise, and see what his/her take is on things. Someone trained in the field, not my doctor who thinks WW is the best thing since buttered popcorn for weight loss!!

My husband said we now truly have an empty nest. The adult child who moved out had moved out once before when attending school for a couple of years. 8 years ago. And that was much harder on me emotionally at the time than this is now. Couldnt find a job, so returned home to live, part time jobs, etc. Now finally has a full time job, with good benefits, and is able to be out supporting himself. I told my husband its just "different". He said it will take a few weeks but it will become our new normal pretty fast. We've been looking forward to it for a while, and now that its finally happened, its almost feels like a dream or something. Someone pinch me, I need to know if its real!!! LOL.

GYN appt a couple of weeks ago now has me needing a D&C with biopsy to make sure I dont have uterine cancer. Oh boy... If that one comes back positive, a hysterectomy will happen. Kinda nervous about all of that. I think my problem with weight loss is stress!

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NTL, I'm with you on one size does not fit all. Pulling out what worked for you before and giving it another go sounds like a wise move to me. I have not been able to exercise consistently since November 2017 and have not exercised at all in terms of cardio since July 2018. So, I hear you on the nutritional aspect being incredibly important. Exercise has other benefits for me; but, it is absolutely not a key weight loss component for me. Nutrition had a far greater impact in that regard. I've had large periods of time with an inability to move and been able to maintain the weight lost during 2013 - 2014. And, nutritional intake come WAY DOWN when I am not actively exercising.

Good to have you back and I imagine having an empty house would take an adjustment period.


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Good Morning Ladies!!

I have been MIA for a few weeks and really do need to get back out here again. Been busy moving the youngest out (27 yrs old), and then the oldest and her family came to visit this past weekend, so we spent quality time with my almost 2 year old grand daughter! Its been one thing after another for a few weeks, and when they left to go home yesterday, its like the whole house just went super quiet, and it became empty real fast Hubby works and doesnt get home until supper time. I like quiet, not fond of empty yet, and right now have mixed feelings about where I am with it all!!

My trying to lose weight lately has been off the tracks, down the hill, and just gone. LOL. I need to really find the motivation to get back into logging what I eat and making it happen again. I go in phases with this stuff. Because I am unable to really do any type of aerobic type exercises now, my weight loss depends mostly on food intake. That's not an easy one for me at all. I asked my doctor about seeing a dietician and was told I should just do WW like she and her nurses do. Ya, well... I did WW successfully back in 08, 09, and into 10,. Then my back went out, and it all blew up! The current WW program I have tried twice now, and failed miserably with. TOO restrictive for me. I told my doctor that too and she shot me some comment about not liking chicken and fish? I was like ya, I do, but burn out isnt worth it. She wont send me to a dietician. Not everyone can do WW or is successful with it--one size just doesnt fit all.

I was skim reading some of the recent posts out here and your conversations. I asked a couple of years ago about thyroid and diabetes and insulin problems. I was basically told it depends on what type of diabetis it is (1 or 2), and how much overweight a person is, and something about liver problems as well. It was made out to be two separate problems/conditions, but not uncommon to have both going on at once. I was also told thyroid is hormonal, which diabeitis is not.

The WW program I had a lot of success with was Flex/Turn Around. Higher fiber, lower fat. I have contemplated hauling out my stuff and giving that one a try again. I do like Sparks though, and having a calorie range to fall into, but admittedly, I need to stay on the lower end of that range in order to lose weight.




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Wyojen, Sure makes sense to me that lacking a thyroid versus a malfunctioning thyroid would have a difference. You hit on a key point things change! And, what may have worked for us for some time may change. I've certainly experienced that too.

My diet consisted of loads of fat for nearly 2 years. Then, the clinical nutritionist suggested a couple of tweaks. And, they were minor taking carb intake up maybe 2% - 5%? Initially, the weight popped up. But, I was not seeing any clear signs of increased inflammation. So, I stayed the course and the weight eventually settled back into the range it was in prior to the changes. It took my body months to settle back down. But, it did settle back down.

One of the things that has left me feeling much more relaxed about all of this is that I am learning to recognize the signs of underlying inflammation in my body: swelling, nerve pain, joint pain, muscle pain, connective tissue pain, red-ringed eyes, joint stiffness. If the inflammation gets bad enough, my skin will literally be warm to the touch as if there is *fever* in my tissues. The skin may even appear red, like what I see at the edges of my eye-lids. I might also experience a more generalized feeling of aches and pains when inflammation is setting in.

I have not eaten bread products in years. So, unfortunately, I have no high fiber, soy free suggestions. Soy is in SO MANY things! I imagine it has been quite the challenge.

How much fiber do you regularly consume? I'm curious. Recently, my fiber consumption has been pushing 45 grams per day. Typically, I've been between 25 grams and 35 grams. When my diet consisted of high levels of fat, I had to really pay attention to make sure I got at least 25 grams of fiber. And, 25 grams of fiber really does not feel like it is enough for me. More seems to be better. I know that too much fiber can impact nutrient absorption and my body already has challenges in that regard; so, I need to keep that fiber intake in my wheel house.

Thanks so much for the *conversation* ladies! I really appreciate it and you!! emoticon


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Jeanne-maybe me not having a thyroid is somehow different with fat metabolism. My sister (also lacking thyroid) has the same reaction to reducing her fat intake. Perhaps that's the difference? It would be interesting to know. Before my thyroid pooped out on me cutting carbs was a good way to shed weight fast. And since it's all the rage now, I was wondering why it wasn't working. So weird how our bodies deal with things. I am open to the idea that my body may certainly change again as well!!

Low fat/high fiber is certainly old school! But it seems to be something my body is liking for now. I'll just keep eating my wood chips!! LOL!! I am having trouble finding high fiber soy free bread products. I am aiming for ones where it is the last ingredient at least.

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Thanks for the reminder about the sparkpeople trackers! So funny to me that I see the menus there everyday on my computer when I choose to go to the spark teams page and forget to look at the other ones!

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In the last couple of years I've just become aware that the challenges I typically experience during the summer may have something to do with my thyroid. I've lived in a hot climate all of my life and am not particularly bothered by dry heat. But, my body has clearly had health challenges in recent years during the summer and it never occurred to me that the heat and its impact on my thyroid might be a part of it.

Stress has been my Achilles' heel. If I don't properly manage stress, it can quickly lead to my unraveling.

I have been using the Spark Nutrition Tracker since December 2013. We can make notes by going to the Tools & Settings box and selecting Add Daily Note. Know that I access Spark People from a computer and not a smart phone. I am using the website and am not an app user.

I do have some Microsoft Excel spreadsheets. But, they are primarily weight and activity related and simply have the basic nutritional information in them. I tend to use Spark People for the nutritional stuff. I use Spark People's reports and I am also a Spark Premium member which provides access to some additional reports and data exporting. Although, we may be able to export data without being Spark Premium members. I'd have to look into it.

And, I have been participating in the team's monthly challenges: Calories In & Out and Jot Down Your Exercise(s) Performed since early 2014, I think. So, if you go back through those threads, you'll see that I've been plugging away at this for a LONG TIME.

A little bit at a time. Otherwise, yes, overwhelming.

When I started nutrition tracking in December 2013, my goal was simply to log what I was eating. I was not making any attempts to eat within a certain calorie range or meet specific nutrient requirements. That was simply too much for me when I started and I simply wanted to become more aware of what I was choosing to eat and was looking to see if any patterns would reveal themselves to me.

As I noticed things that seemed to have a need to be addressed, I systematically addressed them. And, nearly 6 years later, I am still addressing things. It's an ongoing journey of self-discovery.

I often say to myself "I'm never going to be perfect, right, and done." We don't arrive. We live and learn.

Best to all of you!


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Thank you both so much for your insights! I am food journaling everything now and cravings is a huge thing I want to note as I try these changes.

I read an article today about how other things can affect our thyroid levels like the weather and stress and hydration and it all felt a little overwhelming. I wonder how you track all of these changes yourselves. I've tried evernote (online and mobile document app) and Microsoft Excel so I can access the information anywhere but it's getting hard to keep it all in one place organized so I know what's next.

Hope you're having a good week!


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Interesting that low carb led to weight gain for you, Wyojen.

I had exactly the opposite experience with high fat. My caloric intake was ridiculously high and it was a struggle to keep the weight on. I have never had what many consider a true low carb diet. I've repeatedly read that low carb diets are contraindicated for those of us with hypothyroidism.

Something I bumbled onto by accident. Don't know why my attention ever got drawn to this; but, it did. If I keep my carb to protein ratio no higher than 2 to 1, then I seem to have a far better chance of keeping inflammation under control. Of course, I have to steer clear of the foods that give my body grief.

Healthy fats have been some of the most powerful anti-inflammatory foods for me. Things like avocado, coconut oil, wild salmon, wild sardines, macadamia nuts, pecans, walnuts, almonds, pistachios have all served me well.

I remember a friend saying "Diabetes is a disease of carbohydrate metabolism." It made sense to him that my body did not metabolize carbohydrates well, given my family health history. A brother-in-law was recently advised by his doctor to eliminate gluten from his diet because of his blood panel results and the doctor commented that he was not metabolizing carbohydrates well. He may have also asked him to eliminate white potatoes.

I seem to do just fine with things like greens, berries, lemons, limes, sweet potatoes, jicama, onion, mushroom, turnips, parsnips and radishes. I have to be careful with the cruciferous vegetables and I do not eat them raw and I generally, do not eat them regularly. I eat other fruit in season; but, I am predominantly a berry eater when it comes to fruit.

Recently, the nutritionist wanted me to increase my carb intake. It sent my body into a tizzy for weeks and it took another 3 months for it to settle down. But, it did eventually settle back down. The good thing was that I realized despite the weight bouncing all over the place, I was not experiencing any inflammatory symptoms. So, I kept doing what I was advised to do and the body did settle down. It just took time and patience.

Oh, HUGE caveat here! I am not overweight and am, in fact, underweight. However, even when I was obese, my body could not tolerate the carb levels recommended (45%) by the Spark Nutrition Tracker.

For me, I seem to fare far better with a carbohydrate intake around 30%. Also, I am inactive. I am not exercising at all due to my current health challenges. The nutritionist indicated that, if I am able to return to physical activity, my body may tolerate a higher carbohydrate level. However, when I am inactive she wants my carb levels around 30%. She's also aware of my hypothyroid condition.

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Yea, the correlation is actually so strong now that they are starting to runs some experiments and trials to see if they can figure out what role the thyroid plays in insulin uptake. But it explains why I would gain weight when I would do low carb. Most low carb diets are high fat, and fat increases insulin resistance.

Brenner: you will have to be careful on your paleo diet with fat if you think insulin resistance is an issue. But I would say for now just go for it because it is a hard enough change as it is. But hopefully as you reduce inflammation the fat intake won't matter. I always thought of paleo not as a weight loss diet (though it certainly is for some) but rather an experiment. Once you figure out your inflammatory foods then you can move forward.

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WYOJEN, Congratulations on finding a key to your particulars and seeing the weight trending in a direction that pleases you.

Brenner, I need to tend to some additional testing recommended by the functional medicine doc seen last month.

Diabetes and hypothyroidism run rampant in our family. There are additional autoimmune and other medical conditions that continue to appear within the family generation after generation. Teasing all of this stuff out is no easy task. Thankfully, I find it interesting.

I've often referred to myself as a detective because we really do need to investigate various avenues and advocate for ourselves. It just thrills me to no end every time I see another finding a key that unlocks the door that has prevented progress.

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There is a correlation between thyroid and insulin resistance! While I don't know the specifics, I do know that the full panel of tests I've been getting included one on insulin resistance and when I got a referral to someone other than my family practice doctor, it was not just an endocrinologist - it was someone specializing in diabetes. The more I think about it, the more it's related...my dad who is also hypothyroid has diabetes now as well. He's been thankfully able to manage it with his diet so no shots...wish someone could give each of us our magic diet combination to fix it all (thyroids, hormones, diabetes, etc.)! For now, I'll just be thankful for everyone on here to share our experiences and find even better options to try to improve our health and well-being!

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For me I seem to still be losing on my low fat high fiber regimen. I have lost 3 pounds in 4 weeks and am below the 154 mark I couldn't get past regularly now. I am thinking of trying berberine for a little while. It is a vitamin that they say works as well as metformin. I'm not sure, but I figure I can try it for a week and see if anything else happens. You aren't supposed to take it (or metformin) long term, but if it can help me get to my goal weight (or at least below 140) I will be satisfied!

I am wondering if I should talk to my doctor about this, but the last thing I want is for "pre-diabetic" to make it in my medical charts. It would be interesting to know the correlation between thyroid and insulin resistance though and they may know more...

I'm just so relieved that I seem to have unlocked my code for weight loss (I hope). But I should be upbeat since I haven't been able to get below 154 for two and a half years now. I think I have tried just about everything...but eating a cinnamon roll and gaining 5 pounds and something my sister said about how when she eats like a vegan she can lose weight, made me look into insulin resistance.

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Brenner, Hypothyroidism runs in our family and so do medication allergies / sensitivities / intolerances. Really suspect there's a genetic link to this for us.

WYOJEN, Interesting on the soybean oil versus soy lecithin. My body tolerances are the exact opposite of yours. Soybean oil is the no go. And, soy lecithin is fine.

Don't know why I hadn't thought about testing individual legume tolerance because I already know that my body tolerates some dairy and not others. Thanks for sharing that WYOJEN!

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Thanks WYOJEN95! I appreciate the support and insights.

Sounds like making any changes could change how my body reacts to it. I know I can't have black beans (will rid them within minutes) but have not thought about others yet.

A picnic, a potluck, a friend or family dinner...great way to try out some of these new healthier recipes!



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Brenner-I know if is hard, but through the diet you will likely learn that some things are actually not a problem for you and you can add them back. When I did AIP I learned that I can't do legumes (which I would have never in a million years guessed) and I have some dairy sensitivity so I do go non-dairy when my immune system is struggling. But I haven't wanted to make it a permanent choice. I have found that pretty much solved a lot of my auto immune issues. I will always have asthma, but I no longer have the sudden horrible anaphylactic type attacks and my eczema is gone.

Anyway, best wishes to you. I know for some people it is life changing. I have a friend that gave up gluten and dairy and seriously lost 100 pounds in a year and her PCOS problems reversed as well. For others it's not such a big change.

Anyway, now that paleo is more popular there are lots of recipes and things in stores to help and recipe boards. Good luck and I'm sure identifying your issues will be a big game changer for you!

Oh and you will find that some foods are a real problem and some are okay even in a certain family. For me with legumes, I can do most sparingly. The dark the bean the bigger the problem (aka black beans cause hives), but if I have a tossed salad with a few peas in it I will be okay. I also have tried several times to eliminate and reintroduce peanuts and have never had a problem. I try to eliminate legumes all the time, but if there is something with vegetable oil (aka soybean oil) in it I will be okay. Anything with soy lecithin in it (like most snack bars) will give me a gut ache by the end of the day. So once you figure out your issues you will have to figure out if you have to eliminate things all together, or if an every once in a while at a family picnic are okay.

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Thank you so much Jeanne for your detailed response! I love that we can share information and help each other. Your responses have inspired me and triggered other memories too (not sure how my brain can hold so much information and always thrilled when the fog lifts a little).

Tomatoes...never thought of trying them skinned or de-seeded, I'll have to do that. I have always had a sensitivity to sulfites (forgot to mention that since it's been a trigger for so long). That was one my doctors didn't even want to try and figure out, basically said I was on my own to test things since I wasn't allergic or on their scale of sensitive-enough-to-care. I have found that anything red (or similar to the nightshades) will only affect me poorly if I have more than one serving in a 24-hour period. So I can have one meal with tomatoes or red peppers or red wine or red pasta sauce or anything red. Glad your doctors seem to care about it with you enough to watch it closely!

When you mentioned about your sister also having sensitivities, it got me thinking about what else could be hereditary. I know my hypothyroidism has been passed down - my dad has it as well as a few other medical issues I inherited from him - and now I'm wondering if I should talk with him more about his nutritional tendencies when I visit him next to compare. I also think I might start a book for my kids to share some of these things so they have more information to make decisions on their own nutrition than I had when I was growing up.

Sooo happy to hear that a successful re-introduction of eggs is possible! I had some this weekend and while I didn't notice any issues right away, too hard to tell if it's not a delayed symptom and I will look to testing that in the future. One thing at a time!

Love, love, love sweet potatoes and sooo glad I do because they do not hurt my body as much as the other ones do. While I miss mashed potatoes and gravy (haven't found a good recipe for gravy with the sweet potatoes yet), I don't miss the bloat and horrible stomach aches after. I laugh when I hear about mashed cauliflower options...we're not supposed to have that either!

Eliminate squashes has me thinking. I try to have a lot of them when they're in their season (is there ever a season spaghetti squash is not in?) and haven't thought of them as an issue but wonder...they're such a good staple and often free from co-workers or family who have their own abundant farms. Something else to try!

You are one lucky woman to have a husband to try the clean eating challenge with. I often think that's one of the biggest reasons to be with someone (so you don't have to try new things alone), don't misunderstand - I know there are a lot of other good reasons too and am not sad about being alone, just seeing the positives and happy for you!

Before I ramble too long, one more update I'm excited about is that my ortho gave the okay to start water workouts. I have an MRI this week for my knee and he said that regardless of that result, it would be good for me to start slow and workout as I'm able since I've been protecting my body well the last few months, almost too well and should get back to it. Friday will be swim day 1 and I'm looking forward to it!

Have a great day and thanks again for your support! Truly a blessing.

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Brenner, Wow! The similarity of experience is striking! You're doing a great job with the AIP. Keep up the great work! emoticon

I've not done whole30's. I am currently involved in a Clean Eating Challenge to test body tolerance to both pea and rice protein. I read up on them and see that they are hydrolyzed proteins and not simply ground pea and ground rice. So, these 2 proteins are essentially in a predigested form.

The Clean Eating Challenge, which is not a challenge to me at all other than exposing my body to 2 foods (pea and rice) that I have not eaten in years is going very well for both me and my husband.

Here's what I really relate to from your post:

"I have done whole30's in the past and found some of the same things you mentioned to eliminate but before it was with the perspective that I could go back to it in time. I'm finding that not to be good for me."

My perspective was also with the thought that I could reintroduce eliminated foods. To date, I have not successfully reintroduced anything that's been eliminated. I seem to be quasi successful with specific processing of tomato and beans. The tomatoes need to be skinned and deseeded and the beans need to be pressure cooked. And, the quantities my body will tolerate are incredibly small like 1/4 cup of beans is a stretch an 1/8 cup would likely be better.

So, my body is tolerating so little of these foods, it's simply been easier not to eat them.

"The hardest thing that I'm struggling with is eggs...I'm going to try to not have them but they have been such a staple to my diet that I will have to focus on it."

I believe I was put on an elimination diet (by an allergist this man was WAY AHEAD of his time!) in my early 20s, following multiple anaphylaxis reactions, in which egg was eliminated. Like you, that's a tough one for me because eggs are a staple in my diet as well. So, eggs appear to have been a successful reintroduction.

"Basically, the AIP is meat, fish, vegetables, nuts and seeds. The hardest thing that I'm struggling with is eggs...I'm going to try to not have them but they have been such a staple to my diet that I will have to focus on it. Since I've already been staying away from alcohol, dairy and nightshades, that shouldn't be a problem to continue. Bread and potatoes are tough since that's what I was raised on."

From the first alcoholic drink, I noticed my body did not tolerate alcohol well at all! It was beer. And, in hindsight, it was likely the grains that were the issue and not the alcohol per say. Although, alcohol may be an issue for me as well.

A sister and I both have issues with the sulfites added to wine. I enjoy wine; but, rarely have it because most are preserved with sulfites. Given the severe allergic reactions I've had to medications and the reactions family members have had to sulfa drugs, my doctors will not even venture to test whether or not my body will tolerate sulfa drugs. There have been a couple of occasions over the past 3+ decades where sulfa would have been the preferred drug of choice; but, my docs opted for something else because they were unwilling to risk another anaphylaxis reaction.

"Bread and potatoes are tough since that's what I was raised on."

I was also raised on bread and potatoes. Sandwiches for lunch and potatoes for dinner. We didn't necessarily have toast with breakfast or bread with dinner. Surprisingly, bread was not all that difficult for me to release. I don't really miss it all that much. And, I can say the same for potato. I really like sweet potato. So, eating them instead of potato has been absolutely fine.

I do have associations with these foods: garlic bread with BBQ chicken. I've never really been a pasta lover. I enjoyed it; but, did not eat it regularly. Garlic bread is associated with pasta for me too. Mashed potatoes and gravy with Thanksgiving dinner is a huge association. I've not had mashed potatoes and gravy or stuffing for Thanksgiving dinner in years!

"So far, I've skipped the bread when I got a salad at a restaurant and found out that pumpkin seeds are not my friend."

Good going skipping the bread. I know it isn't easy. Skipping bread is extremely tough for my husband. But, he's been doing a pretty darn good job of it.

He was so proud of himself the other day. He joins a group of guys for *coffee* (although, many of them drink something other than coffee) in the morning. And, it is not unusual for someone to bring *treats* like donuts or cookies. He's passed on both cookies and donuts this week. We're in week 1 of our Clean Eating Challenge. I'm really proud of you and him!

I'm not sure about pumpkin seeds. It was recommended that I eliminate squashes and I've not tried to introduce them in a big way. I had a bit of a flare up in recent weeks and I had eaten both zucchini and potato. So, not sure who's the culprit. Zucchini? Potato? Both?

Yeah. Places like the Dollar Store and Grocery Outlet can have some incredible bargains! I picked up a 32 oz. bottle of Bragg's Organic Apple Cider Vinegar this week for $4.99. That's almost half price. I've also picked up things like 16 oz. of organic raw almond butter for $1.00! When I see those kinds of prices, I look at the expiration date and stock up.

Spark Mail me and I will share the name of the clinical nutritionist that has supported me since December 2015. The company is FABULOUS! I want to be mindful of Spark's Community Guidelines and not post it in a public forum. Oh, and how can I forget the best part? The support of the Clinical Nutritionist (she's also a Doctor of Chiropractic) comes free of charge. Of course, I purchase product from them. But, there is a ton and I do mean TON of information available online via their website that is also free of charge.

What I quickly learned is that my situation is not *simple*. They've (I've worked with many of their Wellness Consultants) dubbed me a *complex* case.

So, keep up the great work! It is a process a journey and it takes time and patience. emoticon

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Thanks Jeanne! Good to hear that it's helped you as well. I agree that eating out is difficult when most are wanting the unhealthy sweet salty delicious foods and drinks. I have already found that there are options, I just need to commit to them and not be afraid to stick with it. My new mantra is I'm not giving up anything that would be good for my health!

I have done whole30's in the past and found some of the same things you mentioned to eliminate but before it was with the perspective that I could go back to it in time. I'm finding that not to be good for me.

Basically, the AIP is meat, fish, vegetables, nuts and seeds. The hardest thing that I'm struggling with is eggs...I'm going to try to not have them but they have been such a staple to my diet that I will have to focus on it. Since I've already been staying away from alcohol, dairy and nightshades, that shouldn't be a problem to continue. Bread and potatoes are tough since that's what I was raised on.

So far, I've skipped the bread when I got a salad at a restaurant and found out that pumpkin seeds are not my friend. I'm having tuna for lunch and soup for dinner so I'm off to a good start! I also found a few healthy options at the dollar store of all places, anything to help with budgeting for healthier meals.

Wish I could find a good nutritionist to work with that understands the challenges with hypothyroidism...perhaps that will be my next research project!

Have a great weekend!

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Best wishes to you, Brenner!

I know that identifying and eliminating foods not supporting my body has improved my health and well-being, despite how it may appear given my ongoing health challenges. I have absolutely no doubt that had I not made the nutritional changes my situation would be far more dire.

It is an ongoing process. Foods I've eliminated:

-- all grains except an occasional small serving of sorghum I was also having millet on occasion; however, the clinical nutritionist advised that I steer clear of the millet. She said it is often an issue for folks with hypothyroidism. I've not had any millet since. And, the sorghum is, honestly, too sweet for me. That's why I rarely eat it. I don't particularly like it.

-- all legumes beans, peas, etc.

-- nightshades tomato, potato, eggplant, peppers, etc.

-- squashes, corn, melons, chia, sunflower

I'm probably missing something; but, you get the gist. I've eliminated a lot! It's funny how people think there's nothing for me to eat. There's plenty for me to eat! Navigating restaurants are a minefield though. Their standard fare tends to predominantly consist of what I've eliminated to maintain my health and well-being. It seems like we'll find a restaurant with lots of healthy options and they don't last. Folks just don't seem to want healthy food. Junk seems to be what sells and makes money.

I don't know much about the AIP protocol. But, I am aware of others that have found it extremely helpful! So, best of luck to you!!

OMG! How could I forget that I've recently eliminated dairy! Again, clinically advised. I've been working under the direction of a clinical nutritionist for years now. She's probably saved my life.

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I am, thanks Jeanne.

So I have made the decision to go on the AIP diet. I have been struggling with weight issues my whole life and it's gotten so bad this last year that I'm no longer okay with it and need to do something drastic and commit to it. I am seeing this as a permanent change. I have already given up any pop or alcohol because it affects me and my levels too much. I now know that bread, white potatoes, white rice, and white flour all make me so bloated and full of inflammation that it's not even worth it to cut back, I need to cut them out. Day 1 today, wish me luck!

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I have to remind myself sometimes. emoticon

I remember reading many years ago that ...

"We teach best what we most need to learn."
Richard Bach (Illusions: The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah)

I am having a good week and I hope you are doing the same!



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Thanks Jeanne! Some of yours are the same as mine too...love candles, essential oils, baths, nature, time with pets, meditation, stretching, and tea. Appreciate the reminder of the list, sometimes I get so focused that I forget about these things that could help more often.

Hope you're having a good week!


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Comfort rituals that have supported me include:

candles scented with essential oils (synthetic scents do not support me)
bath with essential oils, Epsom salts, herbs or combinations of these
time spent in nature (ocean, redwoods, and mountains are especially powerful for me)
time spent with pets
mindfulness activities (visualization, meditation, breathing)
gentle stretching
nice warm cup of herbal tea

If I think of more, I'll come back and add to this list.



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WYOJEN95 - Glad to hear it's going well for you!

Jeanne - Love synchronicities like that, signs that you're in the right place at the right time for the right reason.

Sorry to all...I've not been on here much this week. Hopefully it's just something passing through the air and not a symptom from changing meds...my allergies are in high gear this week and going through kleenex like crazy, not sure if my nose or eyes hurt the most and pray it clears soon. All in good time I'm sure.

Question for you: what's your favorite comfort rituals when you need to create your own warm fuzzy? I ask because one of mine is soup and I can't wait to have some for lunch!

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WYOGEN, Keep us posted on your experience. Glad to hear your thyroid is fine and the cramping has subsided. And, wonderful that you've dipped below the no budge line. WooHoo!

Insulin resistance has not been an apparent issue for me. And, I seem to fare better with higher levels of fat than what many consider to be healthy. But, we're all different and I've never had lipid panel or BS results that were anywhere near questionable. Knock on wood.


Brenner, I'll let you know about Dr. Amen's book. Want to hear a kicker? I just found out that his original clinic is essentially in my backyard!!! I kid you not! He opened it in 1989!!! I was absolutely shocked when my sister pointed it out to me this morning. I say in my backyard which means within 20 miles of where we live. Can you believe it?

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Hi all. It has been a little chatty around here!

I am doing well. My bloodwork for my leg cramps discovered that my thyroid levels are great. So I upped my calcium and magnesium intake and that seems to have cause my leg cramps to abate. It just took a while to work I guess.

In other news I have taken on a new diet. I don't know why, I think maybe I just realized sugar had something to do with my weight loss issues, but I started to read about insulin resistance. Basically I have adopted an insulin resistance diet (low fat, high fiber) and seem to have started to lose weigh. I am at least below my no budge 154 for two whole days (LOL) we'll see if it continues.

From my reading something like 80% of people with thyroid disease (both hyper and hypo) also suffer insulin resistance and metabolic disorder so much so that they are starting to run experiments to see if thyroid plays some role in insulin uptake. But anyway, I read something about if you are a thyroid patient and having trouble losing weight when ALL your bloods look good (not just TSH) try an insulin resistance diet. So I am and it seems to be going well for the week I've been doing it. I'm not supplementing with anything, just eating high fiber/low fat.

I will keep you updated.

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7/8/19 9:55 A

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Thanks for the reminder Jeanne about the library app! I hope you find it as helpful as I have in the past.

I have heard that book is well worth the read. I'd love to hear your take as a fellow sparker!

Have a wonderful week! I am choosing to love this Monday! emoticon

"Go boldly in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you've imagined." ~Thoreau


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7/7/19 10:47 P

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I am learning to utilize an app for our local library and successfully placed holds on several e-books and an audio book. Many will not be available for weeks. But, one I expect to be able to access soon.

That book is by Dr. Daniel G. Amen, "Change Your Brain; Change Your Life. It was among the books on the DNRS Recommended Reading list.

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"Believe me, your body has the ability to restore itself to perfect health, once you eliminate the foods and other forces that prevent it from healing." ~ Steven R. Gundry, MD

"I'd like to dispel once and for all the myth that any single diet approach works for every individual." ~ Peter J. D'Adamo, ND


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7/5/19 2:26 P

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Good morning, ladies!

Both of you in moving mode. Haven't done that in SO long. No children or grandchildren for us; so, our lives are not like those tending to children and grandchildren. We spent decades as caretakers for my parents. They've both been gone for some time now.

My health took a serious dive down in the few remaining months of Dad's life. There often comes a time when there is a need to say "No." One of the hardest things for me to learn to do. I am the eldest sibling and the eldest grandchild on the maternal side of the house. Expectations of me were huge. And, as I began pushing back and stepping outside of the co-dependent and dysfunctional "dances", relationships became strained and some are now what I would describe as estranged.

Love for them remains. However, the relationships are not what they used to be and were never what I imagined them to be. Choosing to step out of them for my own health and well-being is one of the best things I've ever done. Easy? Absolutely, not!

We had a quiet day yesterday. The fireworks woke me. I was awake for a bit. Did not step outside to watch them. We realized that we'd forgotten to get the cans to the curb for garbage day. So, hubby got up, took the cans out and watched the fireworks before returning to bed.

Wonderful start to our day. Breakfast out back on the patio again today. The weather has been so pleasant!




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7/5/19 12:04 P

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Good morning! I am one of the few at work and actually glad I am so I can distract myself from all the holiday chaos. Two thoughts have been rattling around my head this week. One, so thankful for our discussions and all of the things we are able to do. I have read so much on another group in facebook about those who are so debilitated that they can't leave the house and are barely able to function. Perspective can really remind me that while it's not ideal or what I'd consider wellness, I am still doing a lot better that I could be! And two, so many don't realize how exhausting holidays and change can be for those of us on the hypo/hashi rollercoaster. My daughters went to their father's family lake in Wisconsin for the 4th and just helping them pack to go was so exhausting for me that I was beat for the rest of the day. Now I'm also getting ready to help my daughter move into her first apartment 4 hours away and both looking forward to and dreading next weekend when I'll be moving heavy furniture and driving long hours only to try and recover in a day or less to be back at work again on Monday. I know life isn't always easy but this is getting a little ridiculous when my joints are so full of inflammation I can barely walk up/down the stairs without issues. I am praying that this continues to improve and not too many more set backs because otherwise I'm afraid I'll have to stop helping those in my life that I love to help.

Hope you survive the heat and next week is a good one for us all!

"Go boldly in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you've imagined." ~Thoreau


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7/5/19 9:15 A

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Morning Jean and Brenda. Hope your 4th of July was quiet, fun, and all remained healthy and safe. Ours was very quiet as I was not feeling well, and we typically are not the kind to go out and engage in all the celebrations around the city! Heard the fireworks go off around 9:10PM and continued to watch TV! Must be getting old. LOL.

There is some apparent confusion going on with the GYN clinic and my referral, as I was called on Wed, and now will wait for them to call me back. And that may not happen until the doctor who is to see me returns from her vacation, sometime later this month. Whatever! In the meantime I have decided to try some OTC type things that hopefully help relieve the symptoms/pain. So far so good with that, so fingers crossed for sure! If the problem is what I am feeling it is, all I will need is the GYN to confirm my suspicions, and either prescribe me something, or tell me to carry on with what I am doing.

I used to participate in various online forums/communities and really enjoyed it. I guess I kinda got burned out and drifted away over the years. Now days I am picky and choosey about which one, on which site, etc. I think finding the '"right" group of people is key, and that isnt always an easy thing to do!

This coming week we learn if our yougest (27) can finally move out (rental house being fixed). If that can happen, next weekend will be busy! Then I must turn that bedroom into the Grand kids bedroom, and get it set up, and the other bedroom set up for our oldest and her spouse. All in a weeks time, so I already told hubby that evenings may be spent setting up the crib and doing stuff of that nature. They want to come down and visit us before the end of July! See how much my back can withstand before it poops out on me. LOL.

Off to do some shopping and then clean the house. Oh joy. You all have a nice weekend. I will stay inside as much as I can because we are in for heat indexes over 100 degrees again, and temps nearing 100. July and SAUNA weather!! I do so miss my Wisconsin weather.


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