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I love Thomas deLauer's You Tube videos - they are always very short. This one was 6 minutes on the wonderful benefits of avocados!!

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and thats the whole point, kd, to be aware, and able to control the intake. some (very few) experts tell you you can eat ANYTHING within the carb limit.
most, and the most successful and more highly regarded ones, say some foods are just plain no like wheat, etc. as always, personal choice, but awareness is really important!!

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Okay I measured and calculated my average size of avocado that I eat 2-3 times a week.

Calories: 136
Fat grams 12.5
Carb grams 12.9
Protein grams 1.7

I enjoy avocados, so I can live with 13 grams a few times a week. I just will make the rest of the food I eat that day basically carnivore..

Breakfast 2 eggs, 2 slices cheese, 1 avocado

And then since I only eat 2 meals a day -- dinner will be ribs. And maybe a small bit of cauliflower with butter and cream cheese.

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JC, Thanks for the info about using Carb Manager.

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JC i think they are all about the same. I did MFP because my son who told me about keto used it. I don’t think one is better than the other, truly.

Rusty I know I was forbidden broccoli when I was on Coumadin. I don’t care for asparagus at all so that wasn’t a problem for me.
My numbers were all over the entire time so o had to have the blood tests often.

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WATOGA I use Carb Manager for tracking. When I did the initial set up I had a choice between Total or Net carbs so I chose Total. Maybe you were talking about someones entry, I wasn't sure so just thought I'd mention the setting. I scan everything that comes with a bar code then save it to my foods. It is not a perfect app but I do love the running log throughout the day. I use the free version but it gives me the macros I am interested in. If there is no bar code to scan on what I am eating then I look it up online usda and make a custom entry for the app. Maybe other apps are better but this was the first one I found. JC

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I have my PT/INR test every 4-5 weeks now, since my numbers have been stable for over a decade. I have a bad mitral valve, and they worry about my blood being too THICK, and a clot blocking a blood vessel, and causing a stroke.

Coumadin thins the blood, and so if I eat more greens, which clot the blood, due to Vitamin K.. also in soy, I have to INCREASE the dosage of Coumadin. Last time I was in the hospital, they fed me a bunch of broccoli, which made my number fall below 2.0, to 1.6.. too thick, so they sent me home with 30 shots of Heparin, that I had to inject in my abdomen. Lots of bruising.

So I will watch the usage of avocados, which tasted fine BTW.. and pay attention to how much it thickens my blood. My last test was a bit high anyways ( 3.2 ), so I need to thicken it up some.. so an avocado in lieu of a salad, should work out OK..

I have been on Coumadin for about 15 years now, right about the time I got my first pacemaker/defibrillator (ICD). My atrial fibrillation is almost constant, which is why I am on Coumadin, but for the last 6 months, I have not had any episodes, which are when my heart skips beats. Sometimes, it has been 25 episodes in a 3 month period. They only last microseconds, and I do not feel them most of the time. It's been perfect since starting Keto.

I get tested all the time for my Coumadin, kidneys, lipids ( cholesterol ), and A1C, as well as basic blood panels, at least every 6 months.. also have to have an Echo every year, as well as see a podiatrist, and ophthalmologist, due to diabetes, which I control with diet.. no meds, low A1C.

The only issue with Coumadin, is when you alter greens.. since I do not eat them much, I have been on the same dose, and in range (2.0-3.0 ) for most of the past 10 years... it was all over the place when I ate SAD, because of things I would discover, such as Subway chicken breasts being 40% soy, which thickened my blood.I could have had a stroke, if I wasn't tested so often.

Once I have my heart valve changed, they think my A-fib will go away, and I can come off Coumadin.. then I could have broccoli, and asparagus, which I love, but are loaded with Vitamin K.

So until then, I will keep my Vitamin K levels the same, by limiting greens, avocados, and mayo. My doctors are always happy that my tests go so well. I could just eat more greens, but that would require a lot more Coumadin, and I always worry about bleeding.

For the avocado today, I pureed it, and added black pepper and garlic powder.. then after cooking my beef, I added this, and stirred it up.. it soaked up the grease, and spread out like it was the thickness of mayo. I'll add it to my menu, but maybe 1-2 times a week. I have tastier meals. Good for variety though.

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ANYONE on Coumadin should have very frequent, regular bloodwork.
I have had to take it twice. Once after my first severe bout with an arrhythmia, the other after a knee replacement. Both times the public health nurse came in bi weekly to do the testing. No charge to me. She called doc with results then called me as to what I should take, not take. There are also vegetables you must stop eating while taking it.
I don’t know how it all works for long term usage, but I do know it must be closely monitored and all doctors coordinated and informed as other meds can also react badly with it.

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Ohhh Rusty, with that coumadin - you will need to work with your doctor for sure.... My mom is on it and I keep telling her if she would up her green veggies on a consistent basis, she could lower her coumadin/warfarin. She actually ended up with a type of stroke (subarachnoid hemotoma) years ago because no one was tracking how thick or thin her blood was. She had surgery to repair a mitral valve stenosis in her heart, and heart surgeon put her on coumadin - but somehow the regular physician didn't "get the memo"... so after like a year of this, her blood got thinner and thinner until she had this hemotoma "stroke" (her primary care later told her that it fell under the category of "strokes" for future medical history info needed.).

So now, with her so far away from the city, her heart doctor got her the Pro-Time (sp?) medical tester, kinda like for testing glucose or ketones, and then after she reports the results, the nurse calls back and tells her whether to take a whole pill or half pill or skip a pill etc, as she has to keep her thickness within a fairly narrow range (I forgot but somewhere above 1 and below 2.25 I think?? thick enough to keep from oozing out of her brain and thin enough to keep the heart valve repair working correctly.).

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rusty SP is the same..all put in by whoever out there puts it in.

I'm with KD..i hate tracking. and i cant be so tied to my food that i do the macros etc. i stick with the three basics and if i stay within them i know i am fine.

the main thing is to be AWARE. its better to take the 2 seconds to google carbs or protein or fat in a food to be sure. thats where i ran into trouble at first..believing the entries..i had no idea that jane down the street could enter her food, use whatever number she liked because it made her feel better about what she was eating, but it screwed me up because i thought they were all accurate (even MFP has entires with check marks, and people think those are verified and ok to use...they arent.)

not ever saying dont eat an avocado or a nut..just be aware that they often derail people who think they are totally keto when they are high in carbs.

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Holly & Kathleen, Yep, you are right. Carb Manager was giving me net carbs. I see what you are saying. Thanks for the info!

Edited by: WATOGA17 at: 1/4/2020 (10:47)
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Mine are about the size of a pear. I think SP goes with the average. Of course, if I start to gain weight, I will re-consider how much I eat.

I have to limit them to 3 a week anyways, so today and tomorrow, then Wednesday.

Due to my health, I take Coumadin, and avocados are high in Vitamin K, which helps clot the blood. Reverses the blood thinning of the Coumadin. I get checked on the 16th, to see how I am doing, so if my blood is too thick, they up my Coumadin. I have been on 7.5 pills a week for years now, which is stable, because I don't eat much with Vitamin K.. soy in mayo, but no greens.

I will see what 3-4 avocados a week does and go get my blood checked ( INR ) more often, until I reset my dose.. unless of course I hate avocados. I like gaucamole though, and mixed in with ground beef, with a little pepper, I think it will be good enough.

Normally I try not to alter my Vitamin K dosage, but for the benefits of avocados, I am willing to change a bit.

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Here is Texas we get big avocados and small avocados. Like Julia, I cannot bear to eat a slimy second day opened one so I get the smallest ones I can find, and eat the whole thing. I do adjust the rest of my carbs to compensate, like my meal will be bacon, eggs and avocado and nothing else, or chicken and avocado and nothing else, but I truly enjoy them on occasion.

The next time I eat one I will shell it, weigh it without skin or seed, and see what it is that I've been consuming. As you might notice, I'm not much of a tracker. It might hinder me but keto is my lifestyle, not my life. As long as I'm going in the right direction, I'm enjoying the journey a lot more not having to track.

I realize this will not work for everyone, so I am not encouraging non-tracking, but for me and my enjoyment of life, I prefer not to. As Holly has said, if I'm in a challenge where tracking is required, that's another story. So I do know my macros are pretty close, and I eat the same thing in general.



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Your numbers are really good Rusty!

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Julia..as always everyone is free to do as they please—but we do try to give correct information. I use USDA for my information, they are the most accurate I’ve found. If you see my post you will see the different numbers for different weights.
Unfortunately, people see an entry in the tracking programs and think it is correct. It does no one a favor to work so hard to stay within limits only to find the information incorrect.
I would far rather overestimate what the carbs are and eat less of them than think I’m eating 2 g carbs on something that is 12, 14, or 17 carbs because I thought the information I read was correct.
The point is to be aware with correct information. If you then choose to set your own carb numbers rather than to go by the widely accepted, that’s absolutely fine.
Knowledge is our ally.

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Thanks for all the ideas. I am using the SP tracker, and it is 288 calories, and 14 grams of carbs according to that. That's 70% of my carbs, if I eat the whole thing over 2 meals.

Along with my eggs ( 5 ), and 2 ozs. of cream cheese, that gets me to 19 g of carbs, and this is good. I have been below 10 g a day for a while, and without carbs, I have been close to 20% protein, which is a bit high since I am eating 2000-2200 calories. This bumps my carbs up to 4%, and drops my protein down to 16%, which is 84 grams, about as high as I want to go. I am OK with 80% fat.

I'm trying it for the weekend, and see if I like the flavor.

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We're not all "totally wrong' - it's just that I (and I'm sure many of us), have looked at like 4-5 different "Calorie Guesser" type programs and I consistently get wildly varying amounts for the carb counts for Avocados (or for other foods, as far as that goes.).

Part of the problem has to do with avocados come in different sizes, so they are going to weigh different amounts. Alligator or "pear" type avocados are usually larger than the more standardized Haas brands.

Some of the problem has to do with us Americans never really got the hang of the metric system so a lot of places will either a) give avocado carb counts based on a specific weight, like 100 grams or b) they give avocado accounts based on the average of weights in ounces, depending on the sizes from this farm or that farm.

It's CRAZY ... but yea, in general I find avocado carb counts to be in the 12-18 carbs range...

I eat the entire avocado because I can NOT stand to eat the other half the next day when it's yuckky - lemon or vinegar or whatever aside, it's just always yuckky!! So then, I kinda have to go by averaging the entire week, maybe only 2 avocados a week at most. I figure even if I am 30 or 50 grams a day, it's still "lower" than the average 300 grams of carbs that MOST Americans eat. Plus with the cancer and other hormonal issues, I need the other benefits that an avocado has, like fiber, antioxidants, whatever, and so a whole avocado is two servings of freggies, and I am basically being encouraged to eat LOTS of fruits and veggies per day (6-9 servings).

Everyone has to do what is best for their health situation, their taste buds, their finances, whatever concerns them - there's not any "one size fits all" dieet and I've never seen a one size fits all 100% accurate calorie and nutritional program. Avocados in one are might have richer soil and have better nutrient values than another. We just kinda have to go by what information makes sense to us or that we have access to, or whatever, and hope for the best, stepping out in faith that we will get the nutritional benefits we needs.

Edited by: PROVERBS31JULIA at: 1/3/2020 (20:49)
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JEN from Maryland - Sorry but you are totally wrong on the carb count for an avocado.
One whole Haas Avocado has 288 calories and 14 carbs.

I eat 1/2 avocado every day . 1/2 Haas Avocado: 144 calories and 7 carbs.

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this from USDA. i for the haas avocado. note the serving size is 100 grams, not a whole fruit..and they have that at
Jen-- could carb manager have the net not total carbs listed? that would make an avocado 2 net carbs, but most here go by the current keto guidelines of using total not net carbs. they show a whole haas as being 11.8 grams carb...30 grams is a serving size and that is 2.59 grams..serving size being 1/3 of a fruit. also..carb manager may allow people to put in information on their own, therefore it would be greatly inaccurate. Its the bane of all the trackers...i google EVERYTHING i eat and put it in my fitness pal under "Holly's____" then save to my favorites so i'm sure my info is correct.
this is for a medium size avocado..the 17 grams total is for a 201 gram fruit,,so a large fruit.

Table 1
Hass avocados (Persea americana) composition of edible portion (USDA, 2011)

Nutrient/phytochemical Value per 100 g 1 fruit, 136 g 1/2 fruit, 68 g (NHANES eating occasion) 1 serving, 30 g (NLEA serving)
Proximates
Water (g) 72.3 98.4 49.2 2.7
Energy (kcal) 167 227 114 50.0
Energy (kcal) (insoluble fiber adjusted) 148 201 101 44.0
Protein (g) 1.96 2.67 1.34 0.59
Total lipid (fat) (g) 15.4 21.0 10.5 .62
Ash, g 1.66 2.26 1.13 0.50
Carbohydrate, by difference (g) 8.64 11.8 5.90 2.59
Fiber, total dietary (g) 6.80 9.20 4.60 2.00
Sugars, total (g) 0.30 0.41 0.21 0.09
Starch (g) 0.11 0.15 0.08 0.03

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Ive always preferred to eat my avocados straight - or maybe as guacamole or with cheese, etc - never mixed in my beef. Right now I really cant handle beef and am doing more of a plant based keto.

As for avocados in January - here is an article that sheds light on that phenomenon:

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I love avocados. I eat the whole one when I eat it - maybe two or three a week. When I do have them, I limit other veggies.

What I find works well with avocados is to buy 2-3 at a time. Don't buy if they are already soft - but if they are hard, leave them all on the counter for 2 days. Then stick them in the fridge, and take one out the day before you want to eat it. Then it's soft enough to mash with a fork, or just eat with a spoon. Take the next one out the day before again.. etc. etc.

Some people have luck keeping them from getting brown by putting saran wrap on it with the pit inside, but I don't so I just eat them less often, but eat the whole thing.

As far as combining with ground beef - I don't see why not. You could just slice and top your ground beef with your avocado and see how you like it. I LOVE the way avocado tastes. I often slice it, salt it, and eat it as a side dish to my protein. Some people add olive oil to make it fattier, but I don't care for that.

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According to my carb calculator (Carb Manager) 1 Haas avocado has 2g of carbs. In fact a pound of Haas avocados has 6g.

I love avocados and if you don't refrigerate them, I think you could just mix them into your beef at the end of cooking and they wouldn't mess up your dish. Just a thought..................good luck.

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Thanks. It's my only carbs besides my eggs. Hoping with fiber, it helps with weight loss. Doctor visit on Tuesday.

I am also thinking of adding riced cauliflower as well, with some mushrooms, maybe alternating both. I am tracking it all though. Staying under 20 g a day total. I've just never had avocado fresh.. always in guacamole. If I like it, it adds lots of fats, and actually helps me up my carbs.. 80/4/16.

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I can’t offer any knowledge on how avocados are with beef..I don’t like them. Just want to caution you that one avocado has 17 grams of carbs..almost the entire days worth of 20 grams.
Just so you are aware!
Hope someone else can answer on how they act mixed with beef!

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Hello. I am thinking of getting Haas avocados to add to my ground beef. I get 5.5 lb. packs of 73/27 @ Aldi's for $2.49 a lb., so I eat this a lot, but adding fat without becoming too greasy is a problem. Oils and butter just end up with more grease to drink. I can do so, but prefer not to.

So I noted they have avocados.. in January..lol. I am wondering if they are OK in winter. Is something done to keep them fresh, which might be an issue?

Secondly, I hear they turn sour if heated too much. I was hoping to cook up 5.5 ozs of ground beef, and then as it started to cool.. add in 1/2 an avocado, so it isn't heated too much, and I eat it a few minutes later.

What is your experience, because in the videos I have seen, the avocado is kind of thick, and mixed with beef grease, might mix well, adding thickness, not liquidity.

Any tips or ideas about them, would be welcome. Thanks in advance.

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