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2/25/20 4:46 P

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Ski, thank you for your journal entry. I appreciate the time you took to type all that out for us!

I posted a blog on my page about where I am right now. I won't repost here since it was just over a page long on my OpenOffice screen, but feel free to go read there. No pressure.

I am not sure whether I will continue on this team or not. I realized that I don't know that even if I changed the team name, whether I still want to be a team leader. And it's not really fair for me to force a group of 75 people to follow what I want to do. I'm the one who strayed from the original intent, it's only me who isn't following what this team was so greatly started for.

Monica, I think you and Ski are marvelous people (and C, it's good to see you here again). I know I could keep up with Monica and C since we are Sparkfriends and I like to periodically visit my friends' pages and leave goodies and comments. But I really feel very strongly about moving away from IE, and I think leaving the team might be the best move for me. I will continue to think this through.

Jesus turned around, and when He saw her he said, "Daughter, be encouraged! Your faith has made you well." And the woman was healed at that moment.
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First, Monica, oh no! Hope you feel better soon!!!

Second, Ski I read your journal entry and you really opened my eyes! Yes, Spark is a "be healthy" website. A website that offers info to help you choose a healthier path for your mind and body by offering many ideas, suggestions, and support.

WOW, just WOW!

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I'm fine with that.

sick with stomach flu, will check in later

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I want to change the team name to "Body Positivity" and the description to "learning to love and accept our bodies all through the journey to improved physical and mental health."

I also have a team image picked out:


I wouldn't have changed it without posting about it first, to see if the active members here would still want to be involved with the team. I love posting with you and don't want to lose you. I know you do WW, Ski, and I am returning back to the SP nutrition tracker, and I think Monica has some structure to her eating as well. That Principle 1 seems to be a stickler for more than just me.

And as C pointed out when she left, Sparkpeople is a weight loss website, so it's understandable that we have chosen some type of structure to our nutrition. I don't feel guilty at all for going back to the tracker, but it does raise a conflict with my role as an IE team leader. I still want to be here, and I thought maybe if we created a Body Positive site, more members would become more active again. Even it's just us core, I think it's important that we all feel comfortable with the direction of the team.

C isn't able to take on one more team right now (I heard back from her this morning), but I still want to pursue redirecting the team in a more inclusive way.

Everyone, let me know what you think.

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Well you know what I think... I am not inclined to ďabideĒ by anybodyís principles other than the ones I decide are right for me. So I donít see a problem..

Can you run your ideas for new names past us?



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Full Disclosure since I am the leader of this team now -

As of three days ago, I have returned to using the Spark nutrition tracker with a calorie range of 1400-1650.

I know this is not abiding by IE Principle 1 - Reject the Diet Mentality. But I have been maintaining since starting IE and I am ready to continue my weight loss journey, so I am going back to what worked so well for me already.

I am currently focusing on Principle 3 - Making Peace with Food. I am learning to allow all foods, though I am watching my portions now. Between December 2019 and three days ago, I was allowing myself to eat unlimited (unconditional permission to eat) but it was causing binges and didn't work for me. All the anti-diet authors say that bingeing happens due to restricting in your diet. Well, I wasn't restricting anymore, but I was still bingeing.

I am not willing to give up the progress I made before IE - I am down 107 pounds from my starting point - so I am using the tracker, and I do have a goal weight set.

If someone has a problem with me doing that as the leader of this team, let me know and I will step down. I am still very interested in IE and in learning all the principles, but I am just not there yet as far as giving up dieting.

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edited to add: I am contemplating making a change to the team name, and am hoping to get C to come back. I Sparkmailed her first, but will update here if I do decide to change it. Partly because I feel like I am not fully "living" IE, and partly because I just plain miss C! There would still be a lot of IE content.

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2/21/20 8:42 A

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ugh... I somehow got bumped from this thread.

That chart is such a clear reminder of our goal... slow and steady. I hate the scale, especially right now. I don't even get my periods anymore, so I have no excuse. I have been getting on it every day to remind myself that it is does not dictate to me my self worth.

I have to remind myself of that.

Every.Single.Day.



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Thank you so much! emoticon

That chart is pretty amazing. I could never weigh every day, my heart couldn't take it! emoticon

I am weighing two or three times a month. I went through a brief period of getting on the scale every three or four days and that didn't work for me. I got too obsessed. I wish I could just give up the scale completely as IE teaches, but I am not there yet. Maybe in about 30 pounds from now if I get there, but I am still not happy with where I am. I know, it needs to be on the back burner, but I can't fully put it there yet. Principle 1 - why is it so hard?!

I just proof read this post, and zoomed in on "maybe in about 30 pounds from now". Why am I not good enough today as I am? I am working on it. THAT will be a big AHA journey for sure.

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And...the operant word here is learning. When you ask why, also ask, If I knew, what would the answer be? I have learned that insights have dramatic effects only in books or films. The rest of us have to take our ahas and baby them along in our minds to see how we can bit by bit change our overall thinking and/or behaviors. Renee, be kind to yourself! Look at how awesome your journey has been. Youíre obviously a taller person than I am. Give yourself time and compassion.

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After a lot of time, I decided to weigh every day to help it become more of just a number. Take a look at this:


This is the last six months of an app called Weight Diary. The net change for the six months is 4.4 pounds. One day to the next can be over 2 pounds without much explanation. I watch the trend line more than anything. My WW weigh-in can hit either a high or a low.

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I am struggling bad today. I finished my period and got back on the scale (WHEN will I learn?!). I am back up from 210 to 212.5. That makes the third time I've returned to 212.5 from a lower weight.

I was feeling just fine until I saw that. I KNOW I shouldn't weigh myself, and I KNOW that I have to put weight loss on the back burner when learning IE, but I can't help it, I don't want to be this size anymore, and I have been in this weight range of 209 - 212.5 since early December. I have had three different AHA moments this month, so why am I still fighting off the immense urge to binge today?

Now that I've finished reading all my body positive books (not the workbooks though), I am going back and re-reading Health At Every Size. IE talks about "pseudo-permission" to eat unconditionally, meaning you are still placing conditions on it - well, I seem to have "pseudo" fat acceptance. I just can't accept my body in its current size, and I am terrified to re-gain any weight, so I am really only giving lip-service to putting weight loss on the back burner. I know I have a lot of fat-phobia still inside that I need to work through.

This is HARD. People say IE is as simple as "eat when hungry, stop when full," but when done thoroughly, it is SO much more.

Anyway, I am feeling bad about myself today. emoticon

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I think itís so interesting to see who resonates with us. I have never been able to ďget intoĒ the Roth book that I have or the Judith Beck books. I have a friend however who did get a lot out of Beck, so I went searching on Kindle and bought The Four Day Win...which I later realized was by Martha Beck, not Judith! I did get something from this book, the concept of the Watcher.
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I like Geneen Roth also... she is very light hearted in her approach.

So glad to have you here, Terri!!!

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Also I like Geneen Roth's books. I have read Feeding the Hungry Heart and When Food is Love back when I was recovering from 10 years of bulimia. I saw on Amazon that she also has one called Breaking Free from Emotional Eating.

I don't have any of her books now, but I do follow her on Facebook and Instagram. She puts up some good memes.

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Thanks Renee. I know the basic concepts from posts Iíve seen already. Just eat when youíre hungry and stop when youíre full. Iíll buy the book too though.

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Welcome Terri! The IE book has a whole chapter dedicated to emotional eating (it's principle 7). If you haven't read the book, it's coming out in a new edition at the end of June, or you can get the third edition for under $10. It really is life-changing. I have the third edition but will still be buying the fourth when it comes out.

Feel free to jump in wherever! emoticon

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New to the team. Gonna try to stop emotional eating. Eating when I watch tv is a big problem too.

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It's interesting when you "go against the grain" and follow your hunger. There are mornings I wake up and I'm not hungry until 10 or 11, even though I'm up by 5 most mornings. My witching hour seems to be 3pm... when I seem to be famished. But if I eat a bowl of cereal, then I'm good and not hungry at "dinner" time.

It's definitely been a work in progress. Hungry = eat/Not hungry = don't eat.

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emoticon So maybe thatís part of intuitive eating too? I am going to research that, but I havenít yet. The answer is no negatives at all. I was not hungry for a very long time, so my dinner was later than usual, but again, no negative reactions from my body!



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2/15/20 10:02 A

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okay... you'll have to let us know!!!

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Ok, hereís todayís situation/experiment: I stayed up late last night so got up late. I had half my dinner entree (actually a breakfast grain bowl) left so added a serving of egg white and a bit of potato when reheating. Had a slice of Ezekiel bread, a glass of milk, and a bit of fruit as well. I seemed to be full way too early in my meal, so I decided to eat it all. Never felt overfull. Now itís almost SIX hours later and just barely starting to get hungry. Luckily weíre not ďgo out to eat for Valentines fancy dinnerĒ people! I will be watching the rest of the evening with curiosity!



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2/13/20 8:14 P

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Ski, I am ever so grateful to you for talking out loud about your disappointment when you want to keep eating. That is also an issue of mine, but I had never recognized it. Now I ask myself as part of my fullness scan whether I want to eat more because it just tastes good. I do sometimes still eat a few more bites, but I don't eat until stuffed anymore. I never made the connection before that I was eating to stuffed because of disappointment! You rock!

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Oh I think little whines are ok, Monica. Remember when I whined about the scale being up and being the same for four days in a row? Well the very next day...it went up! Then this morning, it dropped 1.8 pounds, within sight of my lowest point in ages 16 days ago! It really is just data. Just keep doing the things. The hardest thing for me is still stopping when I am satiated and secondly, trusting myself. Several times recently I have been hungry and wanting salty things. Iíve gone with my gut and it has been ok!



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I know. I've been there. Many times. emoticon

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thanks for the hugs... I just have to say it's super frustrating when you are doing what you're supposed to and not seeing the scale move. Yesterday I listened to Corinne and she talked about a few times when she gained some weight. She was arguing with herself about NOT getting on the scale. She had the conversation in her head before, then got on it, read it, then dealt with the reality. She said it wasn't a damage report, but information.

Still struggling with it not being a damage report. Too many years of quitting, hating myself, all that garbage.

Getting into the big girl panties and dealing with it... by not eating those feelings or calling myself ugly names.

Not whining... just... well... just...

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Monica, I'm sorry you are having a rough time. Sending you emoticon

Amaranth is my favorite! I hope you like it as much as I do. Someone on the McDougall forums bought it after I raved about it and she hated it. Trashed it all including what she'd cooked. I felt so bad! I buy it bulk on Amazon from Food to Live. I get the 15 pound bags.

I have decided that I've maintained for the past two months, and I am ready to start losing again. I am not going to actively diet, just keep trying to get in better tune with my satiety signals. Some days I do well and then others it's still a learning curve. I have lost 2.5 pounds again from where I had regained at the beginning of February, so I am on my way. I want to lose about 30 more pounds, to get to 180. I had originally set my goal weight to 180 when I started Spark again last March, then I kept changing it to multiple places between 150 and 175. I ran into trouble making it under 180.

Since I have been dealing with old trauma wounds making me scared to go under 200, I want to respect that hesitation, and keep the goal weight at 180, so it's not too little. I think I would maintain 180 for a few months before deciding I wanted to go any smaller, just to make sure it's something I really want to do. Going under 180 might require actual dieting, which I won't do. I guess we'll see what my body does at 180.

I am eating the same way now that I will be then, so I guess it comes down to whether that is my natural healthy weight range, or whether I will continue to lose a little. If the weight loss stops before then, I will accept that is my natural healthy weight. I will just have to wait and see, but for now, I am hoping to lose a bit. I had regained 2 1/2 pounds due to some bingeing I was doing, but I don't feel the need to do that after really going into the source of the post-trauma fears. Now that I've named it and understood it, I don't have to keep trying to distract from it or squash it down. It's not haunting me like it was.

I have a pair of size 12 pants I got for $3.99 at Goodwill back in November, that were previously goal pants, but every time I look at them, they just look SO SMALL. Too small for MY body. I pulled them out and really looked at them...I am going to stop at Goodwill on my way home from my doctor's appointment tomorrow and re-donate them. I don't like even having them in the closet anymore.

When I bought them, I was still in mega-weight loss mode, calorie counting and all, and I was dreaming big. Then the trauma fears kicked in a month later and made me re-evaluate what I was doing...and binge and regain a little bit, twice. I don't want to be a 12. It's too threatening thinking of my body being that size.

About shopping, I hadn't heard of Christopher and Banks, so I looked them up. They have some nice stuff! I bookmarked the page. I don't have any Talbot's clothing at the moment. What I had was size 2X and it got donated after it got too big. I was also introduced to ThredUp today, an online consignment. Will have a good look there soon too. Not that I need more clothes, but it's so fun buying in smaller sizes than what I used to wear! I am a regular XL now and have a lot more options!

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Renee! Great about your shopping! I have packages coming in the next two days from Talbots and Christopher and Banks, so I am excited about getting those. A pair of khakis and three tops for me. And, yes, I do think weíre eating rather similarly. Itís good stuff. Last night I discovered that my main grocery store does have amaranth in the bulk foods, but it was almost all gone, so I will wait for them to refill it.

Monica, letís blame it on....the weather? the calendar? (I am procrastinating doing the taxes, maybe thatís it. Donít sigh, just keep doing what youíre doing. I am up two pounds from my lowest and the scale...has...been...the...exact...same...
for...four...days...now!! Huh? Just keep doing the things! Have you listened yet to the podcast where Corinne talks about her mother? I told that story to my husband and he agreed that the stopping is what is hard. (He who has never had a weight problem!)



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hey all... not much in my neck of the woods. Not quitting, but just frustrated that the scale refuses to budge. Doing the things... eating when hungry, stopping before full... not even splurging on junky foods, except for a cup of ice cream Saturday night.

heavy sigh...

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Ski, I got curious about WW Purple since I know a couple of people doing it successfully - what I wondered is if I am pretty much eating that way without "doing" WW. I live mostly on whole grains, beans/tofu, veggies, and fruits, with a few nuts and seeds sprinkled in. I googled the free foods list, and guess what? That is just about what I eat in an average day. Things like a peanut butter sandwich would presumably require points, but the bulk of my diet is WW "free foods."

I am not counting anything or measuring, but you and I don't eat that differently! emoticon

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How's everyone doing?

I just had a bargain from shopping Belk (a department store in the south) online. I got three sweaters for $10 each, one top for $12, a puffer coat for $21, and a new work bag for $12. I had just bought two pairs of shoes for my husband at Zappos and decided to check sales to see if I could find some good treats. Yep!

I still can't believe that coat was marked all the way down to $21. The coat I am wearing is a size too big, but I didn't want to invest in a coat until next winter when I know what size I am going to be then, since I am still losing weight. I really like Belk's Kim Rogers line, but she sizes her clothes differently than most plus. A large is 12-14 and a XL is 16-18. Normally things are sized 14/16 and 18/20. So I currently wear a Kim Rogers XL and will probably prefer that even if I get to a size 14 someday, because I don't like tight clothes. A large will probably be a bit small since it also has to fit a 12, which I'm pretty sure I will not be.

Anyway! I have had a good past few days. I am reading Lindo Bacon's book, Health at Every Size, and loving it. It also talks about intuitive eating. As I read more IE/body positive related books, I kept seeing HAES referenced. Finally I decided to order the book and it's great!

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I remember years back at a hockey practice (my boys, not me) and one of the teammate's sister complained to the mom, "I'm hungry." The mom looked at her and said, "It's just a feeling... you'll be fine for the next half hour when we leave."

Of course, then there's my old Overeaters Anonymous leader... "Imagine my surprise when I learned no one has ever starved to death between lunch and dinner."

Yes, we eat when we're hungry for sure... we just need to know when we're hungry or if we're just sticking with societal norms. I rarely need to eat between breakfast and lunch... but come home from work famished.

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Tammy, I was just reading from Laura Thomas's book, Just Eat It, and came across a passage that reminded me of your post...

"When I'm working with clients toward intuitive eating, they have a tendency to want to skip the process and jump straight to the end. Something that's helpful might be setting intuitive eating as your LONG term goal; that way there's less temptation to get frustrated and try to force it. You can relax into the process more. If it's helpful, you might want to break your goals down into short-, mid-, and long-term goals. Here's a suggestion but you can make it whatever feels right to you. Just make sure you write it in your journal, and refer back to it when you need to.

Short-term goal: practice food neutrality
Medium-term goal: give myself unconditional permission to eat all foods
Long-term goal: work towards becoming an intuitive eater and supporting my health with gentle nutrition."
(p. 120)

Monica gave you some excellent advice already. I am having the opposite problem from you - I've been dieting so long I have lost touch with my satiety messages. I sometimes overeat because I don't realize I'm done already. I am trying to learn to stop along the way and wait a couple of minutes to see if I'm still hungry or not.

I like what Monica said about the something else to deal with. I think I have a meme about that, hang on, let me check...



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Tammy... while this is easier said than done, stop before you grab something and sit with that feeling. See if you're really hungry. If it's hunger, then eat. If it's something else, deal with the something else.

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i have been bad at this again. i have been getting the munchies lately. i am not binging or eating large portions but i am snacking constantly at work. i have done better and not drinking sweet things. i have been having more unsweetened tea. even though i keep low sugar granola bars and fruit, i still am eating a lot when i am not hungry

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Ya, I felt good about that... trying to get the hub to understand it. I mean, he understands the concept, but HOW is that going to help me lose weight... eat what I want when I'm hungry, stop when I'm full. Whether that means I'm not eating breakfast until 10, even tho I'm up at 5 or not eating dinner because I'm just not hungry. It's not rocket science and it's not a diet.


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YAY Monica, way to rock Principle 2!

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Ski... ya... the hubs has been helpful. He's not getting the new thing about me eating only when I'm hungry. As a former competitive bodybuilder, he diets, because that's what he does when he gains a few pounds. He does focus on eating the bulk foods, like vegetables and the like. So, yesterday, I was hungry when I got home from work and grabbed a bowl of HoneyNut Cheerios. (so cute, because they have o's and little heart shapes now). "Wow... a meal before dinner." "Yep, I'm hungry now." And I left it at that. We've talked IE, but while he gets it, he stills "diets" it, if that makes sense. The meal before dinner ended up being dinner, because I wasn't hungry at "dinner" time.

I now can have HoneyNuts in the house, because, while I love them, they're just a food. Not a treat or anything else. A food that I can have if I choose. Yesterday I chose it, today it will probably be a no. I want an orange... the one I brought to work tasted like hairspray. Yuck.

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Absolutely. I like what you are thinking!

I know you and Monica asked me a while back about WW and I havenít yet answered. I will, but in the meantime I want to restate that I am not a purist. Period. I believe that there ever has been only one human being who has been worthy of us swallowing everything hook line and sinker. The rest of us are subject to multiple shortcomings. Being a ďsuccessfulĒ author or, in these days, having a website, being rich and/or famous, none of these factors means I have to or am going to believe everything they say or that I am going to buy everything they want to sell me. I think the person who most helped me in my thinking (other than hubs) has been Brooke Castillo, especially her first 200 or so podcasts. I think two coaches she has trained, Dr. Deb and Corinne, have put their own helpful spins on things and I love and embrace Dr. Debís focus on self-compassion and Corinneís realness. Brooke introduced me to the hunger scale years ago and to the stop when youíre full concept.

I think the principles list that these two authors have put together are brilliant and a great condensation of things to shoot for. (Remember, in the introduction to their book, they had years of doing counseling and noting that their clients regained their weight. They mention reading a lot of books.) Thatís why I am a member of this team. In fact, Renee, I think your last entry is an indication that you are letting the ďdiet mentalityĒ go!

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That is pretty much what I am thinking too, regarding stabilizing. I lost 56 pounds in eight months, so even if I wasn't struggling with abuse issues, my body would probably be about ready to plateau and take a break.

Originally, back in April 2019, I said I would get to 220 and then maintain that for six months before re-starting a weight loss phase. So I am doing JUST FINE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. emoticon

I am feeling a bit less angst than a couple of days ago. I have decided to truly put weight loss on the back burner while I settle in to IE. I don't want to gain a big amount, but I am not going to actively try to lose either. I think my original plan to maintain for a while is a sound one. I have had a few binges in the last couple of months, but even that has settled down. I think a lot of people go through that in the beginning of IE, based on the Facebook groups I'm in, and the body-positive books I am reading. Thank God, I can eat, bring it on! Totally normal response, I think.

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One of the first paragraphs in the IE book talks about a client of one of the authors: ď It took years for Sandra to truly know that dieting doesnít work...Ē. Remember, this was with their direct counseling!

I certainly have ďa bit of the diet mentality letĒ. AND THATíS OK!!

I really didnít mean to advertise for WW! My real point was that when I started with Spark, my happy place was losing 24 pounds. My body and appetite, combined with what I have learned from multiple sources, decided differently! I have also embraced plateaus as opportunities to stabilize.

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It is the hardest part, because we're still in "diet" mode when we start this.

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Thanks for the replies!

Nothing wrong with turtle slow. I am trying really hard to tell myself I am putting weight loss on the back burner as the IE book says to do, but I would be lying if I said I am 100% there. It's a work in progress. I keep thinking, well, if I *happen* to lose weight while re-feeding, that will just be a bonus! I suppose there is a bit of diet mentality left after all. emoticon

That graph is pretty amazing. WW agrees with you!

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Ski... we posted at the same time. Great job!!!

While the scale is not going down quickly, my body is changing. My stomach is a bit flatter, my jeans a little looser.

It's turtle slow, but my body is shaping up.


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I haven't read them, but like you, I don't know that I could ever feel "healthy" at a heavy weight. I don't THINK that's healthy. It's hard on your heart, hard on your knees... it makes no sense to say that you're "healthy". Maybe healthier, because you don't eat crappy food, but I just will argue that you are not your healthiest.

Does that mean I don't respect my body? No, I do respect that my body gets me up, takes me through my day... my body rarely gets sick, loves to hike, walk, swim.

I think you can respect your body at any size, but I question being completely healthy.

That said, just because you're thin also does not mean you're necessarily healthy. A fat person can be healthier if they are providing their body with the proper nutrition when the thin person is living off fast food, processed food and sodas.

My confusing two cents... probably not even worth that much!!!

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My first thought here is donít overthink this too much. I donít know if this is even relevant, but I thought Iíd share.

I guess what I am saying is I have been amazed at my body. As you can see, I lose slowly, but have lost another 6 pounds since last April. And I find that even when I donít seem to be losing much weight, my clothes get loose! I have actually had to go shopping twice in the last few months. Itís fun!



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Something I have been thinking of since I posted yesterday.

How do I feel if where I am at this moment *is* my natural set point? Is that okay?

The answer is that it really is not, and when I stop to consider it, I have very strong feelings that where I am is unacceptable. I am still at 212 pounds considerably in a fat body, and I don't want to be here.

For me, a bigger body always = safer because of my past abuse. But there is also a lot of fat-phobia if I start digging. Not other peoples' bodies, but just my own.

So I have a *lot* of body acceptance work to do. And even though I have completely separated from actually *dieting*, I still haven't come to terms with exactly how big I used to be, and my fears about returning there. I need to be okay with who I am...now, then, and still to come. I don't have that level of self love and acceptance, and I think it might be holding me back when I only see myself as acceptable at a certain size. How can I expect to just "magically" fully accept myself in X many pounds, if I can't do it now? I can't.

More work.

I had originally felt very strongly about Lindo Bacon's book Health at Every Size, because I don't feel healthy in a big body. I thought it was something I would NEVER read.

I have danced around it for the past six weeks, taken it off and on my Amazon list in the last two. I think it's time to read it, and I resisted it so strongly because on some level, I was afraid it would be too much truth and I would have to confront some very real issues I have. So I ordered her two books, Health at Every Size and Body Respect. I think it will be very important for where I am in my journey. Has anyone else here read them?

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