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11/5/11 11:49 A

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1. In my old church people would have laughed it off and maybe been angry. In my new church the pastor preaches the truth about everything so I think it'd be taken more seriously and more to the heart and maybe it would cause a change in some of them.

2. I think my old pastor is the only Christian I can think of that ever encouraged moderation and exercise. That's so sad 'cause I know a lot of Christians.

a. Two or three ways my Christian community supports or overlooks overindulgence as a normal part of life:

They have huge get-to-gathers with large amounts of food and over-consume as a group.

They don't ever talk about staying fit and they treat that as taboo.

I've never heard this truth about food preached either. Which says to me that we're hiding from this particular truth. Trouble comes when you hide from God!!!

b. Two or three ways my Christian community encourages moderation and physical health among its members:

I can only think of 1 and that's when we go walking to talk to the community. That's not really even about exercise though. It's more about saving people.

c. In what ways have you been affected - negatively or positively - by these influences?

When I go to a potluck in church I ALWAYS over-indulge as well. Not anymore after reading this though!

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4/25/11 8:16 P

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These types of questions are hard to answer for me. I guess because I am not very involved with my church community, though I do have a few close Christian friends. I would say that my Christian friends are not very good encouragements or examples (mainly) with eating. Most of the time when I am with my friends (since I don't see them very often) they always want to eat out or get snacks and sit and talk, so most of the time I am just sitting there eating and talking and almost not realizing how much or what I am eating. One of my really close Christian friends does encourage me to eat better and always tells me how good it will make me feel and encourages me to look to God and let Him know my needs and help me. One of my other friends though is very thin, always has been and probably always will be, and she can eat whatever she wants and never gain a pound, so it is harder for her to understand or be supportive of me eating better because I'm not sure she understands. I have definitely been needing God's help to get through this and I still have not been doing very well eating wise, but I am sure learning a lot!!! I'm just trying to learn to accomplish one thing at a time or I get extremely overwhelmed and anxious.

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4/25/11 1:31 P

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My husband's mens group actually did a study on the 7 deadly sins recently and he said he loved it. He said the pastor taught on gluttony in a way he had never thought about it before. I wish I would have been there, but in a way I'm glad I wasn't. Sometimes I wonder if things like this book and classes, etc. really change me or build a stronger resistance to God's way. I hate that about me.

Every church function I go to includes food and no one wants to take anything home, etc. so everyone is always trying to get others to take one more bite. Others seem to have the attitude that the food is just as important and The Lord - I hate that. I tend to see church functions as a time to try to get to know people and maybe make some connections / friends, but when I get there I feel left out and out casted instead, unless I eat, whether I'm hungry or not. I have never known our church to do anything that is supportive to health, except there is a healthy eating / living class on Wednesday nights and there is a lot of sports, but if you don't like sports or have a conflicting commitment to the class - or aren't coordinated enough like me - you're out of luck.

I definitely use church functions as an excuse to 'give up.' I feel quickly overwhelmed by an event and just simply give up on self-control. But the truth is, those are opportunities to exercise and strengthen my self-control and I need to see it for what it really is.

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I agree that people would not respond well to a single sermon on gluttony focusing on food but would be more receptive to a series in which it was included overindulgence in all areas of their lives. It would definitely make people less defensive and more receptive to the message. We should be receptive to any message from the Bible but we donít like our food choices attacked.

I am currently not attending church because of my allergies to perfumes. The large church we attended have soda and snack vending machines available. These do not provide the healthiest options for activities held at the church. Some of the Sunday School classes provide donuts and coffee to encourage members to come. Potlucks at our church usually include a combination of healthy and unhealthy options to choose from.

The church has offered support groups for losing weight in the past. They have also had community outreach soccer for kids which encouraged families to get out and play with their kids.

I participated in one of the weight loss support groups a few years ago. It was helpful to have the support but after a while, the group became small enough that they stopped having it. After that, I gained the weight back again when I didnít have the accountability of the group.

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4/21/11 11:20 A

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I'm not sure that shaming and picking out one form of overindulgence (eating) and preaching on that is really helpful. I think it would be hurtful to the people who were overweight in our congregation because we have many people in our congregation who are overindulgent - just not in the area of gluttony! Possible if our pastor did a series of sermons on the areas of overindulgence - too much money (and not tithing or putting strings on it!), alcohol, drugs, sexual addiction (adultry, and others), food, and I'm not sure what else, than I think people would listen and change! But I don't think it would be fair to just talk about gluttony!! That's just my opinion.

Ways that my church overlooks overindulgence - Our church is not especially health conscience. We serve doughnuts between services - UGH. They are tempting to me. Our church is a big one and many of its members don't have weight problems. However, the children don't need a sugar high! And neither do the adults!! This has been a United Methodist tradition for years and years and years and probably no one has questioned it. Out East, at my last church, we began to serve fruit, because one of the pastor's wives was pretty healthy herself! The meals they serve on Wednesday's before church services, then study are loaded with fat, meat, salt, white bread and pasta, and few vegetables and no fruit, I don't know who prepares them (probably the older women in the church who do not know any better) but they are so unhealthy that I nor my husband can eat them and therefore we miss the church service and can barely make it to the classes. They are definetely unhealthy for the people eating them! Thirdly, the snacks they serve for Vacation Bible School are cookies and koolaid - not healthy. I won't send my grandson, who is overweight - because he doesn't need sugar @ night and can't have koolaid! Which is too bad as he definetely would enjoy the school!

What activities support moderation and phusical health? I am unable to attend these activities because of the time they are scheduled; however, our church does offer classes on weight management along with a bible study (which I understand is very good) and some exercise classes. I believe that other churches in the area offer these types of classes, too. So if I wanted to take a class I could. However, because of my arthritis, I need to take any kind of exercise class from a specialist who can help me either in the water or has knowledge of arthritis in the gym.

Ways I have been affected positively or negatively by these influences: I guess I answered that above - I don't socialize between services because I am so tempted by doughnuts! and I am not a coffee drinker, and I don't attend Wednesday evening church because I can't eat their meals and am too far to drive to church in rush hour traffic and eat dinner @ home and make it there in time. I won't allow my grandson to attend their vacation bible school because of the snacks - so I have been affected negatively by those influences, I could have been influenced positively if those weight management classes were @ a different time; however, I am unable to take the exercise classes because of my arthritis,

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4/20/11 2:38 A

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Too much of any good thing is too much God wants us to live one day at a time, depending on Him to give us just what we need. Whenever we consume too much in order to push down past pain or ward off future anxiety, we fail to rely on God to give us just what we need today to live fully.

"Overindulgence is overindulgence. And limitless indulgence in food always has consequences - it compromises our health, diminishes our energy to pursue our calling, and affects the way we feel about ourselves, just to name a few. It's at this point that we have to admit our issues with food aren't just little things that require us to wear a larger-than-ideal dress size. Eating in excess is a sin." 'Made to Crave,' page 128

1. What do you think would happen in your church if your pastor were to preach a message on gluttony? How would most people respond? Do you think it would lead people to change how they eat?

2. Thinking about the unspoken attitudes and actions in your church or circle of Christian friends, list those that quietly support overindulgence and those that actively encourage moderation and physical health.

a. Two or three ways my Christian community supports or overlooks overindulgence as a normal part of life:

b. Two or three ways my Christian community encourages moderation and physical health among its members:

c. In what ways have you been affected - negatively or positively - by these influences?



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