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10/29/11 7:55 A

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BLCKROSE your posts have been such a great motivation and encouragement to me. Thanks for sharing!! :)

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10/29/11 7:31 A

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Greetings,

When I read this concept, it instantly clicked with me. I think that denying ourselves things that are permissible but not beneficial is the perfect way to get closer to God. It clears out all the unnecessary clutter that gets piled up and creates rifts between us and Him. Oddly enough, as much as it resonates with me now, I never made this connection before. So the only thing I have to draw on is my current experiences. As I lean on God more and more, my food choices just seem to be falling into line. Now granted this is my third attempt at bringing my eating plan to this level of strictness, but it has not felt like I am denying anything truthfully. All I can feel at this point is all the favor I am gaining and how close I am getting to God.

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10/21/11 12:25 P

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emoticon Yes, we will encourage each other! Spiritual life is important FIRST and then health emoticon

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10/20/11 2:40 P

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Years and years ago, my (then) husband and I participated in a church-wide fast 2 days before Thanksgiving. I felt closer and more clearly directed by God. Food was not an issue for me. I was so sorry it ended.
We moved out of the area (125 miles away) about 3 months later, so we had to leave that church. It seems to me that we never regained that connection as a couple or with our next churches. Sad.
I have been attending a church now for 20 years. The prior Pastor is now in Heaven. The current Pastor is a younger man who wants us all to follow closely after the Lord God. This book, M2C, is making a difference in my spiritual life and beginning to help me in my physical life. I thank God for this team, this study, and for learning to deny myself to walk closer to God.

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emoticon In our church, we are encouraged to 'give up' or follow a discipline of deprivation in some area of our lives during the season of LENT (40 days before Easter).
For several years I have NOT traded out and enjoyed my colorful earings...I have worn one plain hoop for the 40 days. Giving up of something generally permitted to encourage prayer during the time that I would ordinarily have been selecting earings to match my outfit and putting them in and putting away other sets. emoticon Not a big thing. Not obvious to other people (usually) but was a self control issue....and I did grow through that.

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10/8/11 5:17 A

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'And might I dare add, growing closer to God has a whole lot less to do with any action we might take and a while lot more to do with positioning our hearts toward His.' - I think this is the ultimate key! And probably the ultimate key to many things in life. The real struggle is us. How do we 'die' to our self when trying to preserve our body and life. Maybe that is one of the reasons my health issues aren't a motivator for me to change. But then nothing has been a motivator for me. And maybe that's the other key. I don't need a motivator, I need a death first. A death of self will and self preservation - those things are God's job, not mine.

'And somehow becoming a woman of self-discipline honors God and helps me live the godly characteristic of self-control.' - This reminds me of Jesus' days of being tempted in the wilderness. Most people think He purposely fasted, but I recently heard a pastor preach that He didn't. Instead, He was so caught up in and engulfed by what was happening to Him and around Him that He set food 'aside' to focus on the Spiritual things going on at that time. Jesus knew His Spiritual health was more important than His physical health. I want to get there - maybe that's my 'want to.'

'But self-control is hard. We don't like to deny ourselves. We don't think it's necessary. We make excuses.' - Again, huge key! Must be lead by The Spirit. Even Jesus was Spirit filled before He went into the wilderness to be tested. And we can take a great lesson from Him also in the fact that He used Scripture to answer all of the devil's temptations.

"Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit" Galatians 5:25' - It's just like in school when we have a text book, but we also have to have a teacher to give us lectures, work sheets, tests and sometimes even labs and experiments. Books are great, but we are designed to learn in a multitude of ways and we have been given multiple senses in order to take in information. God did not do not give us all these senses and capabilities to confuse us or complicate things, His intentions were to give us a multitude of things to assist us in learning, it is Satin that confuses and complicates.

'Being ruled by anything other than God is something God takes quite seriously. And so should I.' - Is it that I'm living as an enemy of the cross because I can't or because I won't walk away from choices I know are wrong? I use to think that my motivation for being thinner and healthier was for health reasons and looks, but I'm wondering if God put inside us a desire to be thin not as vanity, but because there is something inside all of us that knows when we desire food more than we desire God the most logical consequence is being overweight?

Questions #1 - I would have to say that my initial reaction is to be scared. Living in America I have never really been without and in order to be without or to be denied something it wold have to take a real deep commitment from myself, because it won't come from anywhere else. And that might be what scares me the most, is knowing I have never had that kind of will power. Yes, I believe it will draw us closer to God. It's like when an acquaintance does something special for you and your realize they are suddenly more than an acquaintance and your relationship with them grows. By denying yourself of something it gives God the opportunity to provide for you and draw you closer to Him. I have been in that situation before, but I have strayed so far from it that I don't even remember what it feels like anymore.

Question #2 I honestly don't think there are areas of my life where I exercise that level of self-control. Especially not to the extreme I believe He is calling me to do here. I am not extravagant in other areas of my life, but I wouldn't say I'm disciplined either.

Questions #3 Yes, I've felt it before, it was gentle and quiet. You really have to be listening for it and wanting to hear it or it's very easily missed. I think that's another important point. First that God is polite and not loud. He doesn't push to get His way, but makes His way available to us if we are willing to listen. Second, God purposely designed it to be gentle and quiet so that we would have to be intentionally listening in order to hear it.

Question #4 I find myself daydreaming instead of listening to sermons, teachers or prayers. I'm too lethargic to get out of bed or start an exercise program. I have even found myself worrying about an upcoming meal instead of enjoying conversation. i worry about how I'm going to get all I want without being embarrassed or being rude.

Question #5 I'd like to say somewhere in-between, and in the past I know I was in a place of flourishing, but now I seem to be lacking and I can't even tell how much I'm lacking. I had thought it was depression and anxiety, but I'm wondering if some of it is my spirit starving for God and I'm trying to fill it with the wrong things.

Question #6 My cravings seem to go in fazes but, I seem to be mostly attracted to carb based things, like pasta, chips,potatoes, chocolate. I use these for comfort and get VERY angry when someone tries to take them away. My counselor said this is common for someone who is emotionally attached and addicted to food. I get almost defensive inside (even though I know it's just food and I know it's an irrational thought and feeling) about those kinds of food. I'm also embarrassed about the way I feel about them and I only feel safe talking about it because it isn't happening at this exact moment.

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10/8/11 4:39 A

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Sunshine, I don't think that is silly at all. I think it is a fabulous example and one that most Christians go through when they are first saved. Not everyone learns the lesson you were able to learn - be proud of yourself.


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Deciding what you want your life to be like is not hard. Deciding what you are willing to do and give up to get it, is the hard part.

I will do what I need to do in order to do what I want to do.

What you do and say is a reflection of who you are, so decide who you want to be and do it.

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10/3/11 8:37 P

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My response to that first question, is that I'm finding out how true it really is, and the fact that I really never thought of it so clearly like that before. I'm learning now as I do this study what it means to deny myself of things that are permissible; especially food, because it might not be beneficial to me. I am tired of trying to do things my way and I want to get closer to God and do things His way. I gained the weight which I'm trying to lose now so I can get healthy because I chose to run to food instead of God. I want to change this, because I am realizing that God will satisfy me longer than food could ever do for me. I am learning that the closer I draw to God the closer He draws to me, and He will never steer me wrong.

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10/3/11 5:44 P

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SUNSHINE192DAY I read your response after I posted mine. I loved your example, I don't think its silly at all, I think it is a good example to be able to remember! Keep shining! :-)

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What is your response to the idea that we grow closer to God when we deny ourselves something that is permissable but not beneficial? Have you ever had an experience of denying yourself that helped you grow closer to God? Do you believe this could be true for you in your battle with food?

My response to the idea that we grow closer to God when we deny ourselves something that is permissible but not beneficial is that it is true! We CAN have food if we WANT to, but it may be something that is driving us further away from God because we are letting it get in the way. I can completely relate to what Lysa means in this whole chapter. I could relate to this chapter so much! And found a lot to write about in my blog too! I was very pleased with how much I didn't realize I could learn! I can't say that I have really denied myself of much to help me grow closer to God. I feel horrible saying this because that is what I was created to do, but most of the time I do what I want in the case of food temptations because that is one of the only areas I feel like I can do what I want and be in control. This is a tough spot that I know I need to work on and am feeling progress in! :)

My blog for this chapter can be found here (I am very excited about this one!!!); and thank you to all who are reading, I appreciate it SO much!!:

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Sunshine, I don't think that that is silly at all. You were learning a new discipline, and getting up early instead of sleeping in in order to go to church, is definitely denying yourself. Praise the Lord for how you have grown as a Christian. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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My response to the idea that we grow closer to God when we deny ourselves something that is permissible but not beneficial is that it is absolutely true. I just never thought of it before. I have had an experience of denying myself that helped me grow closer to God but you may all find it silly. When I became a Christian 3 years ago it was HUGE for me to deny myself the "right" to sleep in and to instead force myself to go to church. But I did it and I even went an hour early to go to Sunday school. Not only did I grow closer to God but I ENJOYED it and grew to love the others there. It was instrumental in becoming part of His church and learning about Him. I absolutely believe this could be true for my battle with food as well!


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What is your response to the idea that we grow closer to God when we deny ourselves something that is permissable but not beneficial? Have you ever had an experience of denying yourself that helped you grow closer to God? Do you believe this could be true for you in your battle with food?

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