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12/22/19 8:48 A

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I do. it seems to be helping. I just started keto about 1-2 weeks ago. I do the fasting everyday from 8pm-12pm. I've never been much of a breakfast person.

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our bodies are fine tuned machines. the not being hungry is a reaction to the body being starved. it shuts down. conserves its reserves. as James often says, we were on a cycle. food was abundant in the warmer months, and scarce in the winter months. they didnt starve because the body shuts its metabolism down when we starve it. allows tiny amounts of energy out to keep going. Its why most of the scientists and keto experts now are saying we need to up our cals at least to the minimum our body needs to function daily, which for most is a minimum of 1800 cals.
that said, the longer we starve it, the more it has to let go of to prevent death. so it takes from unneeded things first. like hair. and nails..which is why so many people have hair loss on calorie sparing diets. Then it takes from our stores.
from the very first diet we were ever on (mine was when i was 8 or 9) our metabolism slowed and slowed each time waiting for the next time we would starve it. until we hit where a lot of us are now..slowed, damaged metabolisms. and the only way to fix it is to feed our bodies at least the minimum required to perform daily tasks, like just getting out of bed and walking to the car or whatever.
The studies are in the works. the above is being proven more and more each day..but they take time to do correctly. The good news is. with the info we have now, people are starting to understand it and are beginning to heal their metabolisms by getting the calories they need instead of the ridiculous cals in cals out that has been disproven over and over and over.
soon, hopefully, the correct information will be out there. if its proven otherwise i will fully change my thinking. but up till now, the above makes sense, is being proven, and is why James and I dont agree with more than occasional short terms of fasting. Its one thing if you have health problems that require it, or if your own medical professional, that knows you and your history tells you. we never, EVER override a doctor. but for the majority of us, thats not what most doctors that are familiar with metabolism are going to suggest.
As always, its your choice. But we try hard to present the most up to date, scientifically proven information. and for anyone new that thinks they must fast or that fasting or IF is going to be a miracle weight loss method, its not. the more you do it the more you need to do it to see any results..and that in itself backs up why we need to feed not fast.

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11/19/19 11:05 A

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I have wondered the same. As far as meals go, l've always eaten only twice a day. My husband is hungry every 2 to 3 hours (and as thin as a rail. So unfair!) but after a meal for me it was more like 6 to 8 hours. So that put me at 2 meals a day. That's not counting snacks. I was a snack maniac. I love snacking.

Now I'm keto adapted. 18 hours is easy. If I eat at the 18-20 hour mark it's usually I'm forcing it. I do eat a lot of ribeye which is really calorie dense. I also take Moringa and a beef liver supplement, just to making sure i'm getting plenty of nutrients.

As for going to long and doing harm to myself. That's harder to judge. I mean, I don't think I am. I think out bodies are designed to go long periods between eating, it's just harder or near darn impossible if you are eating carbs or things that spike insulin all day every day. The reason I don.t think we need near much food as We've been taught is because of our ancestors. They didn't have a grocery store or access to three square meals a day. They had to go find their food. Sometimes they didn't always bring home a deer.

Also, I'm not really active. I'm home all the time so I don't require as much for energy. Example, I went to the mall in another state. I ate before I left (breakfast) and I ate later that night. Since I did more, I ate more.

Their have been times at the 30 hour mark I couldn't finish my plate. As soon as I had enough my brain just refuse to take another bite. So I'm trying to listen to what my body is now telling me versus sticking to a schedule Or eating for the sake of eating because it's been so many hours, therefore, I must be starving. I have plenty of fat on me, it's time my body uses that lol. If I get hungry, i 'll eat be that 2 hours or 25 hours since my last meal. If it is a short window though like 6 hours, I always drink 1 glass of water first. I can't tell you how many times I thought I was hungry but in truth I was thirsty.

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ARALISS: hi and welcome!

I find it very interesting that your not hungry for 20 - 30 hours at a time after only 1 meal.
I also wonder if you are eating enough food? You could be doing some harm to yourself?

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I'm just now starting Swimming Lessons. Hope to finish it within 3 weeks - I have it checked out from the library. I've also got the download, but still trying to figure out how to get it on my iPad.

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11/15/19 3:18 A

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Thanks for the warm welcome!

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Welcome Araliss!! Glad to meet you and hope to get to know you better.

Congrats on your journey - do you also like to read? We are reading "Swimming Lessons" by Claire Fuller for our first book. Read it through December and we'll discuss in January.

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11/12/19 1:13 A

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I did keto and IF back in 2017 before I fell off the wagon and gained it all back. I did sometimes gain but what I ended up doing was putting my scale away. I decided I'd only weigh during my 3 month doctor visit. Every time I went I had really good loses compare to my last weigh in. I stopped stressing over scale numbers. I started looking forward to my 3 month weigh in like I was about to get a surprise. I just started back on keto/slash dirty carnivore. Basically it means I eat keto and some days I'm lazy and don't want to create anything and I'll eat a ribeye. Which, surprising feels awesome.

I tend to IF 20 to 30 hours. Some days I might eat twice, but most time once I'm full I'm not hungry again until those 20-30 hours. I try to eat when I'm hungry and not for the sake that I haven't eaten yet. It's very rare I get hungry before the 20 hour mark but if I do, I sometimes test it by drinking a glass of water. If the hungry is gone after that and last, I assume I was thirsty and not hungry.

I'm starting at 225. My goal is 199 by Jan 1st. I think that may be the exception to my weighing before my dr. Appointment but I'll see how I feel about it by then. I do go in Dec so if I'm at least close to that goal, I may wait until my appointment.

IF is awesome. At least it has been for me. Plus, I don't stall because I don't see a scale for 3 months. If I stalled 6 weeks, I don't know it. It's made losing so much more enjoyable.

Sorry i babbled but that's my experience with IF.

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That is 100% correct Holly - not necessary at all. It's very difficult to do, but I do think it's effective for me. That being said -- if it was easy and effective for all, everyone would do it. That's definitely not the case.

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I have just started last week to IF. I find that the weight comes off quicker than when I have my normal three meals a day routine. If I am hungry in the morning though I eat, if not, I wait until lunch, or I'll skip dinner. I feel pretty good doing this and just try not to let myself get to the point of feeling like I am starving. I know I am not ready for any 24 or longer fasts, as I have been doing keto a little over a month now. During this time, I research a lot, listen to many many doctor's regarding keto and IF. One Dr worth checking out is Jason Fung. He is an IF guru, and I enjoy learning from him. It's all about mindset. Knowing and believing and following through. This is the first time I feel like I can succeed!!

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Magic for some KD. For me and many others it stalls us and can even cause gains. There is information backed by studies coming out showing it can slow metabolism.
It’s a personal choice—but new people should have access to all the current information on it. If it works for you that’s great..but for many it doesn’t/-and people end up quitting keto thinking it’s necessary. It’s not.

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I agree with all of that - but I do think the combination of keto and IF is magic. Just hard to do.

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Autophagy is formed from "auto" or self, like automobile, self-mobile, and "phagy" or eat.

It is to "eat yourself" and really it means that old cells are broken down, and eaten (sort of) with their parts recycled and used in new cells. The net result is that old cells don't get too old and you sort of stay young.

Here is an article on autophagy:
www.healthline.com/health/aut
ophagy


It says:
"intermittent fasting and ketogenic diets are known to trigger autophagy"

It also says:
"Ketosis, a diet high in fat and low in carbs brings the same benefits of fasting without fasting, like a shortcut to induce the same beneficial metabolic changes"





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For those who are new..autophagy occurs just by eating ketogenically. You don’t need to fast to achieve it. Plenty of studies showing that. It’s a personal choice.

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Because fasting means not eating, it does break a fast, so yes, you're right Holly.

Although, unlike protein or carbs, fat doesn't trigger an insulin response and therefore, doesn't stop the autopĥagy process we are looking at with fasting. And that's what I am after - that autophagy proccess that makes fasting such a great tool!

Thank you for the precision - I should have added that bit of information in my previous post!



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just for information..coffee with ANYTHING in it breaks your fast. Its up to you whether you fast or not but its NOT necessary...you naturally do "IF just between dinner and breakfast, and keto itself provides all the claimed benefits of fasting. That said, some like to, and thats fine if you wish to.
But ANYTHING with calories (cream, butter, oil) in any drink breaks any fast you may be doing.

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I like reading your experiences about IF and keto.

I do something similar to Ireta49 - I have a coconut oil/butter coffee in the morning, sometimes, around 10 I eat chia pudding or Greek yogurt, a small portion, than I have lunch around 11:30 and I do dinner around 5-6. So each day, from 6 until 10 the next morning (or 11:30), I fast.

I'd like to stop eating altogether before lunch at 11:30 but it's a bit difficult at the moment. My goal is to eat at noon and stop eating at 7pm.

So far, I like how it works and how I feel. I am lactose and gluten intolerant (it triggers my autoimmune condition), plus I can't eat eggs so... it was getting very tiring to try to work around all the restrictions. Not having breakfast first thing in the morning is very new to me but as it solved myself a lot of trouble, I think it's worth the adaptation phase!

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I was getting ready to try it. I will let you know.

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I've been doing IF since the beginning of following the Keto Zone. I take the coffee in the morning with MCT Powder & Collagen powder and don't eat anything solid from the end of supper until about noon. I'm always satisfied in the morning hours and feel it helps me keep from wanting to snack.

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My husband and I both do IF and keto, though it was more a byproduct of me not liking to eat breakfast and him not being up every day until nearly 1. We've both had great success so far.

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I've tried it. I was usually eating meals at these times:

Breakfast at 10 a.m.
Lunch at 2 p.m.
Dinner at 6 p.m. (our normal family dinner time)

The timing mostly worked well for me when I did it. (breakfast could be tricky though, trying to plan it that late in the day in-between other activities and meetings.)

I am getting back on track with Keto and plan to go back to this schedule.

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I do IF almost every day - from 6 pm - 12 pm the next day. That's an 18/6 split, and I enjoy my meals a lot and am hungry when I eat. That's the most important thing to me - that my lifestyle seem effortless. Chugging down breakfast in the morning seems hard and I'm never hungry first thing.

I've lost about 35 pounds in a year, I probably have 10-15 left. I like to drink wine though - I'm pretty sure that's why I haven't finished losing the rest.

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if or longer fasting causes me to stall, then gain. some people do fine with it, others , like me, do terrible with it.
its not at all necessary..i lost almost 150 pounds only doing it the 2 trials i did and they were the only 2 gains i had. many never do it. if you want to, and it works for you, its fine to do.

do remember, we ALL do IF every night, when we sleep. the time you stop eating at night till you eat the next day is IF.


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Has anyone combined Intermittent Fasting with the Keto Diet? How did you do it,and how is it working for you?

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