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8/3/16 8:24 A

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WHITE, Your responses here in this thread sound positive! You sound very open-minded to know how others are recovering and coping, and still sound committed to your treatment plan. Those are truley steps in the right direction. As so many Sparkers agree, whatever the food or weight issue, this is an experiment of one and is also ever-changing. As peaceful as life seems it would be without obstacle, so mundane it would be without the stimulation of problem-solving and change. Best wishes and keep working it! Spark is a great place to be!

A decision made about how much to weigh is a decision made on how to live. (KANOE) I have decided.


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8/2/16 1:57 P

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Thank you very much for replying Donna and Oolala! It's all very interesting!

I am using the food plan that I got in BED treatment (see my post below). They say to eat 6 times per day. This is for people who are wildly chaotic in their eating. The plan is supposed to help control one's eating and get into a rhythm and that's what it did for me - and for most of the fellow group members.
I do get tired of 'having to' eat 6x per day... I would prefer to eat maybe 4 or 5 times per day (3 times would maybe be ideal but I cannot imagine being able to do that for the time being).

But, this plan has worked very well for me... I feel 'safer' eating like this for the next few months and maybe later on, drop one snack and who knows, another one even later. We'll see.
The benefit of eating every 2-3 hours is that I never have to wait long when I feel like eating. I can tell myself that I can delay eating until the next 'eating moment' at a time when the urges are strong.
The downside of it is that I have to think about food and prepare or get it more often than I like. I would rather eat 3 or 4 times per day and be done with it. Again, as I said, for the time being I will abide by the rules of the treatment though.

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7/30/16 1:41 P

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I have lived for six and a half years with an eating plan that I consider very reasonable. On weekdays I eat only three one-plate/bowl meals. I like having a general schedule of times to eat and the ideal is to have at least 5 hours between meals. Otherwise, I would NEVER be hungry for a meal, and I prize getting legitimately hungry, eating slowly no matter how hungry I am. In fact, if I eat more often, I get a very dull feeling that I don't like. (And there are some good health reasons for longer gaps, but there are varying expert opinions on this.) I would be very uncomfortable eating more often, especially now because of the insulin issue. My meals tend to be smaller by American standards, with usually a rather small breakfast, and either lunch or dinner smaller than the other. I prepare most of my own meals; I think I can provide better quality and for a lot less money!

I don't eat sweets on weekdays days (two possible exceptions a month, but not usually used) though I do use stevia in drinks and some foods. I have experimented with sweets made with combinations of sugar alcohols and stevia, but I don't think it's a good idea for me to depend on them. On weekends, I allow for a bit more flexibility with more or even less food, since I might more likely eat restaurant food which is richer; I tend not to get as hungry after those meals, even when I try to eat small portions. I also avoid eating sweets when alone, as those were the times I was mostly likely to abuse them. I do have a general limit of the equivalent of a maximum of four moderate-to-small portions of dessert with or without real sugar a week, but now often don't come near that number, party because I don't have a strong social life, and the people i do tend to socialize with are not much on desserts.

Because of reduced hunger as a senior citizen, I sometimes opt for eating less often on some days. I am continuing to adjust to this new step.

I would be stuffed if I routinely ate 2000 calories a day, and my health is very good eating a lower amount. I have days of eating less than 1,500 calories, though that has happened over time, as my appetite has changed. This is based on only intermittent calorie counting, as I eat rather routine servings of food groups, so the calorie count doesn't vary by much. The few times I check, I am not off by more than 100 calories or so. (The women in the Blue Zones average much less than 2,000 calories a day and have little degenerative disease, so it must be healthy!) My doctor is very pleased with my blood panels and general health prospects. She says I would have to carry A LOT less fat on my body for it to be a problem to be eating less.

I don't consider it normal to record calories on a regular basis unless it is to affect a health condition. People with health conditions or with high risk would likely benefit from stricter limits, and would hopefully have the motivation to sustain them.

I vary in what I put on my plate, but over a period of years, I have definitely cut way back on manufactured and/or fast food, and increased vegetables. I allowed anything except sweets at all weekdays meals, and anything at all on weekends, but over a period of time, I reduced those foods either because they just didn't have the overall effect I wanted or because of specific health concerns.

I used a process of weaning myself off most "problem" foods or amounts.

I continue to experiment with meal content and portions but mostly for appetite regulation and maintaining mental clarity into old age. I do tend to have general guidelines ahead of time for my meal makeup. For example, I would likely NOT opt to have a lot more pizza and no vegetables at a meal just because I had the opportunity. I MIGHT opt to have pizza with colleagues at an impromptu lunch, taking my entrée home, but eating my veggies.

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7/30/16 1:01 P

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It is hard to consider what is a reasonable eating plan!
My Slimming World Food Optimising Eating plan is very sensible. We are allowed 1 B section of bread or wholewheat cereal, 1 A section of measured quantity of milk eg 250ml semi skimmed or 30g cheese. Then fairly limitless fruit and vegetables and fat free meats and fish plus potatoes, rice, pasta. With every plateful having to contain a third of it vegetables or fruit.
There are also 'treat' foods we can have 70 per week. So nothing is out of bounds.
So why do I find it hard to follow some days! Today has been a good day. emoticon emoticon emoticon

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7/30/16 8:30 A

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Thank you!

I described what I was taught about creating a food plan on my team 'Strategies', you can find that here:
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Summarizing:
The eating plan must include:
1. The times you are going to eat: 3 meals and 3 snacks, with at least 2 and at most 3 hours space in between.
2. What types of food you will eat in what amounts
3- It should contain about 2000 calories if you are a not very active adult of average height. Even if a person tries to lose weight (after bingeing has stopped) it should never contain less than 1500 calories.
4. make sure to get in the basic amounts of foods like vegetables, fruit, bread, dairy, and protein.
5. Include rules about treats: allow yourself 2 to 3 special treats (snacks) like cake or ice cream per week. And allow yourself 2 special meals per week, which could be eating out, eating junkfood, pizza, etc.


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7/30/16 7:50 A

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Hhhmmmn...

Reasonable? To control bingeing? Weightloss? Maintenace? You are right about the definition being different for everyone. It even changes regularly for one individual...

I define it as eating a normal amount of calories and variety of foods to keep me both nourished and satiated. In general, probably 1800-2000 calories with all food groups an almost even balance of 30% from protien! carbs! and fat and including some sugar.

However, this is not my normal because I am always trying to reduce cals to 1500-1600 to drop the pounds I gained in either simply indulging or over indulging over a period of time or "bingeing" - eating emotionally, loosing focus and sometimes sanity.

I am constantly battling in my mind how to handle it...

Just last night while considering what to fix for dinner and trying to "change it up a bit" without breaking the calorie bank... I ended up saying oh just (beep) it. I prepped a chicken crescent loaded with fat that neither of us enjoyed except the crescent roll part. My dear husband asked why I didn't just make our fav sausage bread if this wasn't such a healthy choice. As I prepped the food, I thought of my sister and her family. She cooks regularly for her entire family and feeds them all the no no foods and not one of them has real weight issues. What the hell? How does she find balance and still eat all those foods without issue?

So what is included in a reasonable eating plan?

I have been maintaining a 50 lb weightloss for about 4 years but I have yet to find a reasonable eating plan that controls my bingeing for more than a period of time. I just keep reading and trying out things. Some work for longer than others but I have not found the magic or ideal plan that I can really stick too.

I read something the other day from a site called Neverbingeagain that bothers me...he says just a bite off your set plan is a binge...now that's discouraging news to me. So be careful about what some people call reasonable!

All said and done, freedom, even if for a short time, is worth every effort and I will never give up in trying to find control.

Best wishes and keep Sparking!

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7/30/16 3:24 A

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What is a "reasonable eating plan"?
Please share your definition. What does a 'reasonable eating plan' (as opposed to 'a diet') look like?

Using a food plan (that I got during BED treatment) has really helped me to be much more stable in my eating pattern. I also know though that what is 'reasonable' for one person may not appear so to the next!
And, I realized that many people who struggle with bingeing no longer have an idea of what 'reasonable' amounts are... I know that I was amazed when I was instructed about it in my treatment... felt like I had to eat 'tons' of food in the beginning.

I thought it'd be a good topic to discuss here so we can all get more insight.


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