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~~~~~Lesson: 2 Chronicles: Chapter 1

We covered this same thing earlier but I wanted to “re-do” it when it showed up in Chronicles because I find it such an emotional and wise reading.
Question: If God offered you one thing, as He did Solomon, what would you ask for? Why?

In the last part of this reading, the Israelites serve as “middlemen,” making a profit off of trading. This almost reminds me of some of the current events going on with the economy- aka, large banks making a profit selling “bad” mortgages. Of course, in the reading, it does NOT say that the Israelite were taking advantage of poor people. They were simply engaging in trade.

Question: When it comes to business, are ethics important? How does one apply their being a Christian with making a profit in the marketplace?


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~~~~~Lesson: 1 Chronicles: Chapters 18-29

1) The story of the census was already told at the end of 2 Samuel. I’ve included it here again as a refresher, and because it lends itself so well to many questions. If you’re already familiar with the story, you don’t have to read the entire thing again!

2) We read about David buying Ornan’s threshing floor. But what is a threshing floor? The effort that went into growing and preparing grain for consumption was amazing. After the grain was harvested, it was taken to the threshing floor. The threshing floor was an area of ground that had first been cleared of stones, and then had the dirt packed down. The grain could be separated by a variety of methods: animals grinding the harvest, stones grinding the harvest, or the use of a threshing sled (usually wooden boards with rough components placed on the bottom, driven by animals). The resulting product was lifted and tossed, the wind separating out the inedible parts.

Questions: Joab knew that David’s command was wrong, yet he obeyed him anyway. Was Joab wrong? Or was his behavior correct as David was the king ordained by God? Explain the answer you chose.

Which of the three choices would you have chosen? Why?


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If there were/is work in Heaven, what would you want to do?

Something to help other people.



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~~~~~Lesson: 1 Chronicles: Chapters 11-17

As I said before, much of this material (sometimes in a slightly different form- aka, the genealogies don’t match exactly) has already been covered.

But today, look at David’s prayer in chapter 17. Note his surprise bordering on disbelief that God would bless him to such an extent.

Question: Do we doubt the extent into which God can work miracles in our life?

(Kind of off-the-wall-question): If there were/is work in Heaven, what would you want to do?


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10/16/09 7:39 P

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Thank you, Deb....it is so nice to hear someone say that!

~~~~~Lesson: 1 Chronicles, Chapter 10

1) Saul kills himself rather than have the Philistines capture him. If they had captured him alive, they would have certainly humiliated him, and perhaps tortured him before killing him. The ancient Romans also believed that to kill one’s self was an honorable death.

Question: Do you think suicide is morally acceptable under these circumstances? Why or why not?

2) Even today, many religious people go to fight in wars. Look at the constant war in the Middle East; many people on all sides of that war are religious.

Question: Do you think it is morally acceptable for religious people to participate in war? Why or why not?

3) This last isn’t question, more of an observation. Note that they sent Saul’s head and his armor through the land to convey the good news not only to their people, but to their IDOLS. Imagine that type of mindset, that they believed the idols they had in their houses and their temples were conscious and could understand what was happening around them!


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Thanks Jennifer, you put so much work into this!



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~~~~~Lesson: 1 Chronicles, Chapters 1-9

Chapters 1-9

These nine chapters are dedicated wholly to the genealogies up to this point. Feel free to read the chapters in whole if you want. (Or if you can’t get to sleep)

Instead, I’m going to do a brief summary of all of the events that have occurred thus far. In both books of Chronicles, we actually go back in time and review some events that we have already covered. Thus, it is important to have a “big picture” view of what we have studied or the books of Chronicles can be confusing.

-Creation of the world, Adam, and Eve
-The Fall of Man
-Cain & Abel
-The Flood
-The Tower of Babel and the scattering of the nations
-Abraham’s life (given Isaac in his and his wife Sarah’s old age)
-Isaac’s life
-Jacob’s life
-Joseph’s life (sold into slavery by brothers, jailed in Egypt, interprets dreams & becomes important)
-Many of the Israelites go to Egypt, over the next two centuries they are gradually enslaved
-Moses born
-The plagues in Egypt, the Passover, & the Exodus
-The Ten Commandments and the golden calf
-40 years wandering in the desert
-Moses died and Joshua becomes leader
-Various conquests of Canaan and division of the land by the twelve tribes
-The Judges live- as problems arise during the next hundred or so years in Israel’s history, God has a judge appointed who comes forth and helps to guide the people. The judges generally served only a small area, not the entire nation. The most famous of the judges was Deborah.
-Israel demands a king like other nations have.
-Saul’s reign as king
-David’s reign as king
-Solomon’s reign as king and the building of the temple
-Israel divides into two nations- Israel and Judah. Widespread worship of foreign gods starts to take place. Judah remains ruled by the line of David. Judah is ruled by a variety of kings from a variety of families, with constant rebellion and sabotage going on.
-The prophet Elijah and the prophet Elisha preach
-The northern kingdom (Israel) falls and the people are exiled
-The southern kingdom (Judah) falls and the people are exiled


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Question: Do we, as a society, worry more about what happens to us vice what happens to other people? Why or why not?

I think our society is very much "Me" minded. I don't think it is always right but do think that is the way we for the most part are.



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~~~~~Lesson: 2 Kings, Chapters 21-25

There are two important points to note in this section, which closes out the books of Kings.

1) The Israelites had apparently “lost” the official rule of law along the way, meaning that most of them probably only had a vague idea of what they were and were not “supposed” to do. Upon finding the law, the king is so distraught by finding out how far away from proper behavior the Israelites (and maybe himself) have been, that he tears at his garments. In today’s society, we have the advantage of having a high percent of literacy.

Question: Is some of the blame “not counted” because the Israelites didn’t know any better? Why or why not?

Do you think that having a high rate of literacy helps to keep people religious or drags them away from religion? Why?

2) In chapter 24 and 25, we see the fall of the southern kingdom. The exile is done in two waves. It is kind of hard to understand in the reading, so basically: the second to last king surrendered to Babylon and all of the educated and important people in the kingdom were exiled to Babylon and settled in various cities throughout Babylon. The Babylonian king puts in a “king” to lead Judah, but a king that is under his heel. This last king rebels, and finally, almost everyone is exiled. The southern kingdom is now well and truly destroyed.

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It shows the area and routes of exile and return wonderfully. Click on the map to make it larger. (It might be the second or third post down, depending upon when you visit…it is labeled “map for Sparkpeople.)

Question: Imagine for a minute the country you are living in is taken over and 90% of the population exiled. Foreigners move in and take over the country. Would you try to maintain a sense of nationality despite being in exile? Why or why not?




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~~~~~Lesson: 2 Kings, Chapters 18-20

1) Hezekiah is shown in the Bible as one of the “good” kings, who follows the Lord’s commands and helps to stop the pagan worship that is occurring. I chose this chapter because it illustrates how life continued (mostly) as normal in Judah even after Israel (the northern kingdom) had fallen.
(Please check out the map- link a couple of posts below- for a view of the exile of each kingdom).

Despite his “good guy” representation in the Bible, when Isaiah warns that his line is going to be cursed and that Judah will fall to Babylon, his only reaction is happiness that it isn’t going to happen during his lifetime.

Question: Do we, as a society, worry more about what happens to us vice what happens to other people? Why or why not?

Is Hezekiah right to worry about the state of the kingdom now and not the state of the kingdom in the future? Why or why not?

Even if he is right, is his happiness over the fall of the kingdom in the future inappropriate?


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Questions: Name one thing you would miss most if you were exiled from your home tomorrow?

If I am being exiled alone I would have to say my husband and Skittles.



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~~~~~Lesson: 2 Kings, Chapters 12-17

Okay, we just read about the northern kingdom being taken over and exiled. This will soon happen to the southern kingdom. For today, go to he link at the bottom.
There is a GREAT map (click on the map to make it bigger) that shows the paths of exile and the years.

Questions: Name one thing you would miss most if you were exiled from your home tomorrow?


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Do we sometimes only half-heartedly try to stop sinning? Not that it is right to only half heartedly try to stop , but I think the answer to this is yes.

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~~~~~Lesson: 2 Kings: Chapters 9-11

1) Both new kings, when they take over, wipe out some of the worship of foreign gods. As we see in the Northern Kingdom today, and in the Southern Kingdom later, this new-found resolution made to God will not be long lasting.

Question: Do we sometimes only half-heartedly try to stop sinning?

2) Jehu, as many kings before him, wipes out the entire family and advisors of the old king.

Question: Is it morally wrong to kill all of those people? Why or why not?


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Question: Do you think that this action would be wrong?

OK this same thing happened on Survivor a couple of years ago. Personally I think it would be OK because you are just showing respept.They even told the people on survivor that in whatever country they were in( I can not remember right now) that this is what people did to show respect.



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~~~~~Lesson: 2 Kings: Chapters 4-8

1) Elisha does some great and wonderful things in these chapters. Many of people in Israel and Judah at that time had fallen into worshiping foreign gods.

Question: Do you think Elisha’s actions helped bring them back to God? Or do you think some of them credited their foreign gods for the actions Elisha did?

2) See this link for a map of where Aram was: http://www.bible-history.com/maps/assyrian
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Aram was related to the Israelites. Abraham was originally of Aramean stock, having come from that area. During the time of the story in Chapter 5, there were multiple gods worshipped in Aram (as there were in most countries/regions). The god Rimmon was probably referring to the temple of Hadad-Rimmon, which was the temple of “Hadad the thunderer.” Note that Naaman promises not to offer sacrifice to any other gods in the future. But he asked Elisha for permission to still kneel in the temple of the foreign god, which Elisha gives him.

This would be the equivalent of a Christian visiting a synagogue or mosque, and not worshiping God there, but kneeling/bowing down/etc. in order to show respect to the others in the temple.

Question: Do you think that this action would be wrong? Why? or Why not?


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Question: Have you heard of the theory that the chariot of fire that took Elijah to heaven was a UFO?

No I have not heard that ,but you will have to fill me in sometime! You have my interest peaked!



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~~~~~Lesson: 2 Kings: Chapters 1-3

1) Ahaziah sends to men to go question “Baalzebub,” the god of Ekron. This was Baal. The term Baalzebub is a mocking term by the Hebrews, which literally translates to “Baal of flies.” In Aramaic (which was common in the first century), the word beeldebaba means “enemy.” The combination of these two is how the name “Beelzebub” became a term for the devil.

2) Elijah is taken “heavenward” and then disappears from Elisha’s sight. That is all that is said. Elijah is one of only two people in the Bible that we never hear of dying; instead they are either “walking with god” (in the case of Enoch) or “taken heavenward” (in the case of Elijah).

Question: Have you heard of the theory that the chariot of fire that took Elijah to heaven was a UFO? (be happy if you haven’t)? Where did you hear it?

Name one other “out-there” theory you have heard about a section of the Bible (any section!). What do you think of this theory?


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I love reading your questions , it really gives me good things to think about even if I don't always answer on here!



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Sorry Jennifer, I am here just really busy. I am enjoying reading your readings as always!



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(You don't have to answer a question, but can someone at least post and say 'hi' so I know someone is reading these? Pretty please?)

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~~~~~Lesson: 1 Kings, Chapters 20-22

1) You might notice that Ben-Hadad is mentioned during multiple “time periods” in the Bible. There were actually two known, and maybe three, kings of Samaria that went by that name. There are also references outside the Bible to kings by this name, another example of confirmation of the Biblical stories.

2) Ahab has the distinct “un-honor” of being the most evil king in the history of Israel/Judah. Pagan worship, evil deeds, and ignoring the commands of the Lord were commonplace for Ahab. Note the fact that in chapter 21, Ahab does show sincere repentance at one point in his life.

Question: Does being sincerely repentant matter if you immediately negate it with evil/bad actions?

3) Naboth’s refusal to sell his vineyard is not a matter of stubbornness, as Ahab makes it out to be. Earlier in the Bible, we discussed the division of land between the twelve tribes. Part of the rule given by the Lord is that the land couldn’t be sold/given outside of the tribe. (It is assumed that this was a way to maintain equality among all Israelites). This rule is Naboth’s main reason for refusal.

Question: Do you think you could defy the king/leader of your country if you thought that it was God’s will?


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~~~~~Lesson: 1 Kings, Chapter 18

1) You might wonder why the actual drought caused by God (via Elijah) didn’t convince Ahab and the Israelites of God’s power. The answer is that they actually attributed the drought to Baal. They decided that Baal was angry over Elijah’s lack of faith and that the god Baal was causing the drought.

Question: Do we sometimes credit God’s works to other people/gods/things?

2) Contrast the attempts of the Baal priests to get their god to answer with Elijah’s somber and “to-the-point” prayer. Can we apply Elijah’s example to our lives? God doesn’t demand elaborate acts on our part to show our faith.

Question: Can you name one example of quiet, somber prayer in the Bible (besides this one) that showed God’s power?

Can you name one example in your everyday life in which “less would be more”?


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~~~~~Lesson: 1 Kings, Chapter 17

1) Ahab, we learned in the last chapter, promoted the worship of foreign gods more than any other king before him. One of the primary gods worshipped was Baal, who was the god of storms and fertility. God (via Elijah) striking the land with drought was not only an example of his power and an expression of displeasure, but was also a direct attack on Baal and his worshippers. In those days, it was believed that different gods controlled different things- aka- a storm god, a harvest god, a sun god, etc. By naming one God as God of everything, the Israelites were actually embracing a concept that was foreign to all of their neighbors.

Question: Can you name an example in America in which someone/an institution attacked God? (Please do NOT name another religion, use a secular example for the sake of harmony).

2) The widow and her son are on the verge of death. But she shares what she believes is the very last food her and her son will eat with a stranger. Can you imagine having that sort of charity in your heart?

Question: Why can’t every family in America go donate $20 worth of groceries to a local food bank today? Is anyone in America starving to death right now? If so, why aren’t we helping them?


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Baal was the fertility god. The one who brought pure rain to the land and caused it to bring forth life. The people worshipped Baal as a means to daily existence and survival. God existed but He was the all powerful God that won battles, parted the Red Sea and toppled the walls of Jericho. He wasn't to be bothered for daily needs.

At first it was hard for me to imagine why people would worship a false god over the one true God. But then I realized as I began to respond to this question that I do this. The people didn't want to bother God with all the minute details of daily living...He was there for the big stuff...when things were really extreme and when they had no where else to turn. More often than I care to admit I tend to try to take care of my own daily needs instead of turning to God. So perhaps I am my own god trying to control things my way. I mean after all isn't a false god anything or anyone that you go to outside of going to God?

I may not have answered the question but I did learn something about myself today. God definitely used this forum and has my attention.

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~~~~~Lesson: 1 Kings, Chapters 13-14

1) In these two chapters, we meet in detail the first king of Judah (after Solomon) and the first king of Israel after the split of the kingdom. Both of them immediately start with making false altars, worshipping false gods, and violating the commands of the Lord. This will be a recurring theme throughout many of the next books.


2) We’re going to be reading a lot about false gods and altars to them. Some of the larger centers of worship were dedicated to some of the more “popular” gods (in Israel, there were many other gods in other areas):

El- the supreme of the gods

Baal- so popular that he, in effect, supplanted El

Asherah- the consort of El (sometimes referred to as the consort of Baal...seemed to change with the times). There were “poles” that were placed on hills and altars that were called Asherah poles. These were wooden objects- either a pole or a tree. Though the “Asherah poles” are mentioned many times in the Old Testament; only four times is the word Asherah used as a proper name for the goddess. The poles may have been used to represent other gods or the concept of a fertility god.

Question/Task: Go look up one of the three gods above on the internet and come post one thing about them.

What makes them different from God? Can you think of a reason people of that time would be attracted to worshipping this false god instead of God?


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1 - I think Rehoboam did not know what to do. He first went to the elders for advice then he went to his peers for advice. I think it was his pride that made him choose his peers over the elders. "So the king did not listen to the people, for it was a turn of events from the Lord, that He might establish His word, which the Lord spoke..." 1 Kings 12:15 Regardless of what Rehodoam did I believe God's Word would have been established as He stated it to be.

2 - I believe that the definition of "moral behavior" is clearly defined (10 commandments) but each generation bends the moral ruler so that their sin is found acceptable in society. Those with a moral conscience are often silent or out voted. All too often the loudest voice is the one heard. Also taking into consideration that the more exposure you have to a sin the less it seems like a sin and the more it seems like the "norm".

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~~~~~Lesson: 1 Kings, Chapter 12

1) The practice of forced labor was started under David & Solomon’s reigns. Its original purpose was actually a good, perhaps noble, one: to build the temple for the ark of the Lord. However, after the temple was completed, the forced labor continued. They built palaces and other buildings of importance.

Naturally, the people rightly ask for a lessening of the labor. Rehoboam gives a resounding ‘no,’ and threatens even more work. Now, the Lord had already warned Solomon that the kingdom was going to be split into two.
This begs the question:

Question: Did Rehoboam refuse to lighten their labor out of selfishness? Did God then turn this bad deed into His purpose?
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Did Rehoboam answer with no selfish purpose? Was his response prompted by God?


2) Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines. As with many of the figures in the Old Testament, the “one man, one woman” concept of marriage hadn’t quite been adopted. In our culture and time, a man having 18 wives and 60 concubines would be behaving illegally and immorally. Yet, in those times, it was common.

Question: Does “moral” behavior stay the same from generation to generation? If something is “right,” is it right at all times- 4,000 years in the past and 4,000 years in the future? Why?


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I also agree that the women sinned. And to emphasize what dreamz.. said below, these are women that due to their circumstance had a chance to learn about the one true God. (Yes, this should have been Solomon's teaching.) They would have been taught the laws and commandments including the one about not worshipping other gods or idols. Ruth is an example of a foreign woman who followed her mother-in-law back to her homeland and committed to believing in her God and following her laws. She married Boaz and (I think) Jesus ended up being in her line of descendants. So God blessed her for her choice.



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I agree that the women did sin. I wasn't sure "why" before...I just felt like they did...but DREAMZ gave the best reason. They were living in Israel, they saw the worship of God, they lived in an entire culture that was focused about God.....yet they still chose to worship false gods.

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Wow excellent questions. The easier question would have been did Solomon sin. :)

1-I believe the women did sin. Tradition (values upon which we were raised upon) does not exempt us from being sinners. We live in a world full of sin today. Most of us grew up in dysfunction and yet we are all still considered sinners. First reason is the 2nd commandment. You shall not worship idols. Now just for sake of argument if they had never heard of the 2nd commandment they are still sinners because Romans 1:20 states "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse." You don't have to be introduced to God to know that He exists. Solomon knew and it should have been the other way around...he should have influenced them toward the one true God...not them influencing him. And if that were not enough the Lord clearly states in 1 Kings 11:2 "You shall not associate with them, neither shall they associate with you, for they will surely turn your heart away after their gods." Before they even came into the picture God already warned about these women that they were sinners.

2 - Wisdom brings us closer to God. Knowledge is power. The more knowledge you have about God the closer it should draw you to Him. No matter who the person is...if you truly know God...how can you not be drawn to Him? It is within our very nature as His created children.

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~~~~~Lesson: 1 Kings, Chapters 10-11

1) Solomon’s many wives, being foreign and not worshipping the God of Israel, turn his heart to other gods.

Question: Since they were simply practicing the faith they had been brought up with, did they, the women, sin? Why or why not?

2) Solomon is known throughout the world at this time for his wisdom. Yet he allows his heart to be turned away from God. And this, even though he had seen and heard God directly!

Question: Do you think wisdom brings people closer to God, further away, or does it depend on the person? Explain your answer.


(Very long reading today...if the discussion is active, I will extend it an extra day).

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I have to agree. DREAMZNWISHES, you summed up my feelings on the "church vs. building" thing perfectly.

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DREAMZNWISHES, I agree with you and really cant think of anything else to add. Yours is a wonderful answer.



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I do believe that we are given grace through the acceptance of Jesus. Far too often people do become lukewarm when it comes to their faith and their commitment to God. One way to stay faithful is to read the Word daily.

Since we are the church I would say that the building is no different from any other building. However, having said that I do believe that we place great significance and value on churches because that is the place where we connect with God. I do not believe it is so much about the building itself but moreso it is about the spiritual connection and the fellowship we receive there.

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~~~~~Lesson: 1 Kings, chapters 8-9

1) Solomon’s speech at the dedication of the temple emphasizes God’s glory and his justice. I selected a couple of sections that we can apply particularly today.

Quote by Solomon: You keep your covenant of kindness with your servants who are faithful to you with their whole heart.

Question: We are given grace by accepting Jesus. Do we grow lukewarm over time in our dedication? What is one way we can attempt to stay as faithful to God as He stays to us?

Quote by Solomon: If the heavens and the highest heavens cannot contain you, how much less this temple which I have built!

Question: Are churches special buildings, different from others? Why or why not?


2) The Lord’s speech to Solomon is again a promise of what will come from obedience and a warning of what will occur if they disobey. Note that the Israelites have been warned time and time again.


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~~~~~Lesson: 1 Kings, chapters 4-7

1) In chapter 5, Solomon institutes a draft so that he has the men necessary to build the temple. The Bible never states whether he asked for volunteers, and didn’t receive them –or- if he instated the draft before attempting any other methods of recruiting men. The draft is still a “hot topic” today, especially in light of the ongoing U.S. involvement overseas.

Question: Do you think it is morally right or wrong to draft men (or women)? If for religious purposes? If for military purposes? Why?

2) In the ancient world, the most magnificent buildings built were the temples dedicated to God (or to gods). Much as in the Middle Ages, the grandest structures ever seen by most humans were for religious purposes. Compare this to today, with the World Trade Center (obviously, before its tragic demise), the Sears Tower, the Eiffel Tower, and other buildings around the world.

Question: Do you think the difference in the “purpose” for our greatest buildings reflects something about society at large? If so, what?

3) The temple of Solomon was destroyed in 586 b.c. and Herod had many building projects on both that area and around it later, leaving no archaeological remains for examination. However, from the biblical description, both of the original temple and of later “versions” of it, we can deduct a few things.

The temple was a “three-fold” design, with one court, then a smaller court contained within that one, and a smaller one still contained in the second one. As one moved deeper into the temple, the more sacred the area became.

Another interesting fact that we have gleaned from the Bible is that the stones were “dressed” (cut to size, cut for a specific spot in the temple, and smoothed) off site before being brought to the temple area.

In other temples, the innermost area would usually have multiple gods represented, each with their own alter. In the Jewish temple, however, there were no representations of multiple gods, or even a “representation” of God…the ark stood as the lone symbol for the Lord.


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I'd have to go w/ Solomon's request:
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Question: If God were to grant you only one thing, what would you ask for?

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~~~~~Lesson: 1 Kings, Chapter 3

1) Note that in the beginning of the chapter, Solomon offers sacrifices at one of the ‘high places.’ These were generally altars upon which sacrifices to pagan gods were offered. However, offers to Yahweh (the Lord) were also offered at these places. This is “authorized” at this time in Israel’s history due to the fact that the temple has not been built yet. Later, when the temple is completed, offerings at other places are banned, though the ‘high places’ are still used for pagan offerings.

2) Solomon offers a thousand sacrifices. The ‘over the top’ number is used to show Solomon’s great love for the Lord.

Question: How can we offer “sacrifices” in our day and age? Can you list a couple of examples?

3) Solomon asks God not for riches, long life, or victory on the battlefield. He asks, instead, for wisdom and good judgment. Many people today pray to God by asking for a “wish list,” as if God were Santa. Of course, this is NOT the proper way to pray.

Question: If God were to grant you only one thing, what would you ask for?

4) Final note: the story of the two women arguing over the baby that is still alive is found in over twenty different “cultures” outside of the Bible. This does not make the story in the bible untrue, simply keep in mind that often stories cross between cultures.


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~~~~~Lesson: 2 Samuel, Chapters 1-2

1) We skimmed over it, but after Solomon is made king, Adonijah makes a request for one of the royal harem to become his wife. This may seem, to a reader today, to be a small request, a sort of consolation prize for not being made king. This is actually a foolish and ill-fated attempt to claim the throne. The royal harem is property of the king; if another man claims part of the royal harem, he is also claiming a part of the throne.

Now, Solomon’s mother sees the request as an innocent consolation and presents it to Solomon on Adonijah’s behalf. Solomon sees it as an attack on his kingship.

Question: Which way do you view the request? Why do you view it in this manner?

2) When Solomon sends a man to kill him, Joab seeks refuge at the altar of the Lord. Solomon orders his man to go in to the room and kill him anyway, presumably siding with the viewpoint that only those guilty of INVOLUNTARY manslaughter can seek protection there.

Question: View the temple as a church today. Would you allow the police to enter the church to arrest a man guilty of involuntary manslaughter? Murder? Why?


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Do you think that our actions can cause serious hurt to others? Why or why not?


Yes, I think everything we do we should consider before we do it so that we don't hurt other people.



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~~~~~Lesson: 2 Samuel, chapters 21-24

1) In David’s song of thanksgiving (feel free to go back to the Bible and read it), we see how he glorifies the Lord.

Question: Can you name one way in which you can “glorify” the Lord today?

2) David yet once again breaks a rule that the Lord had given him- in this case by taking a census. Oddly, God gives him three punishments in which to choose from. And, again oddly, none of them involve David himself being punished. However, when David sees the hurt he has caused Israel, he pleads for mercy. And God grants it.

Question: What did David learn from this experience? Is it something you can apply to your everyday life?

Do you think that our actions can cause serious hurt to others? Why or why not?


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~~~~~Lesson: 2 Samuel, chapter 20

1) The end of the last reading and today’s reading both cover the beginning of the disintegration of the kingdom, which will eventually split into two.

Sheba never really gives a specific reason for renouncing the kingship of David. However, it is clear from his statement that he feels no loyalty to the nation he belongs to.

Question: Is it wrong to rebel against a nation in which you are a member? Why or why not?

Is it wrong to rebel against a/the/your church? Why or why not?


2) In Abel Beth-maacah, a wise woman offers to kill the man they seek in order to save her town.

Question: This is getting into some sticky ethical discussions, but I really want to see what everyone’s answer is.

In this particular situation, was it right for the townspeople to kill Sheba? Why or why not?

If you said ‘yes’, can you name a different circumstance in which it would be wrong?

If you said ‘no’, can you name a different circumstance in which it would be right?


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Question: Do we allow our personal feelings to get in the way of acting like proper Christians towards others? Why or why not?


I believe that we do sometimes do this. sometimes we will judge someone without even knowing them just because of the way they look.



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~~~~~Lesson: 2 Samuel, chapter 19

1) Re-read verse 1. I just love this verse- two sentences seem to sum up the entire story, the passion in David’s cry shows how even the strongest man and leader can be reduced to almost nothing by grief.

Question: Is there a verse in the Bible that speaks to you? Please post it! And tell us why it is so important to you.


2) Shimei learns he was wrong about David. (Probably from Ziba, who was taking care of Saul’s son’s land). He immediately goes and asks forgiveness. And David grants it.

Question: When you learn you are wrong, do you admit it to yourself? To the other person? Do you admit it to yourself, but not tell the other person out of pride?

Question: When someone admits to you that they were wrong, what do you do? Forgive them? Feel prideful that you were right?


3) Note that David, even in his grief over his son, shows mercy to Shimei.

Question: Do we allow our personal feelings to get in the way of acting like proper Christians towards others? Why or why not?


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Question: Out of the three involved in this dispute: Amnon, Absalom, and David: who do you think did the most wrong? Why?

Who did the least wrong? Why? (This is from a couple of days ago, but I didn't get a chance to answer it yet).

I think Amnon did the most wrong...he violated God's covenant with no reason except for lust.

Oddly, I think David was the second most wrong, even though he didn't "do" anything. If had seen that Amnon was properly punished, Absalom might not have become a murderer. Plus, by not punishing Amnon, David was "approving" what was done to Tamar. I mean, how must have Tamar felt when she realized nothing was going to be done. She had been violated. She was now no longer "acceptable" as a bride to any man. Her life was ruined.

I think Absalom did the least wrong. While I think murder is wrong, Absalom was actually fulfilling what God's rule was on the proper punishment for this sin. It should have been done by an impartial judge, but David prevented that from happening.

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I do think Joab did at least what he thought was the right thing to do. I imagine David as being a fierce and passionate leader and commander who inspired his troops to victory. His soldiers and his commander, Joab were faithful to him and fought the battle fiercely to victory for their King. In the spirit of the battle and the war, it would difficult to pass on the temptation of a trophy that was Absalom hanging from a tree. I don't think that Joab thought he was doing wrong.

Was David right to request that Absalom not be hurt? - David was a man ruled by his own passions, including his love for his women and his sons. He also was full of grace and forgiveness at times. He did this to Saul many times when Saul tried to kill him. God referred to David as a man after his own heart. Sound familiar?

Would David had done that to any other enemy? Probably not.



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~~~~~Lesson: 2 Samuel, chapters 16-18

1) We will meet Shemei again in tomorrow’s reading, but the one thing to note for now, is the indication that not all of Israel is happy with the kingship. The kingdom will later divide in two. This is one section that foreshadows what is to come.

2) David orders that Absalom not be hurt. Yet Joab, his most faithful commander, personally kills Absalom.

Question: Do you think what Joab did was right? Why or why not?

Do you think David was right to request that Absalom not be hurt? Why or why not?

If Absalom had not been David’s son, but some usurper from afar, would David’s instructions have been different? Why or why not?


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~~~~~Lesson: 2 Samuel, chapters 14-15

1) Throughout the Old Testament, you will notice the signs of mourning among the Israelites. These include, tearing of the clothes, walking barefoot, covering one’s head, covering oneself with ashes, and, occasionally, shaving one’s hair. These are all methods in which the Israelites tried to both humble themselves and let others know that they were in mourning.

2) Blood loyalty was extremely important in Israel. As we saw, the land was divided by tribe. Everyone was well aware of what tribe they belonged to, what family they belonged to, and their duties to those in their family and tribe. Later, we will discuss the Jubilee year and other Jewish laws that will illustrate how important those duties were.

3) David is actually going against the blood loyalty he should have by not allowing Absalom to return, and later, by withholding complete forgiveness from Absalom. Absalom, even though he killed his brother, did it because his brother violated the blood loyalties he should have had [aka- he violated his sister, and then kicked her out instead of marrying her].

Question: Out of the three involved in this dispute: Amnon, Absalom, and David: who do you think did the most wrong? Why?

Who did the least wrong? Why?

4) There is a small point that is actually very important in the reading. We skimmed over it, but if you read the section in whole, you will note that while David and his men fled, they left the ark and David’s concubines behind.

Question: Why do you think this is? [I’ll answer the question tomorrow…I want to give everyone a day to come up with an answer!]


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