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7/7/12 9:25 P

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I know what you mean, hence finding a particular plan that suits us individually is the best thing we can do.
In the main they do not mix and match.
Ive heard lots of people are on South Beach and Im happy its working for you.

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7/7/12 9:13 P

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I'm following more of a South Beach Diet plan, so both yogurt and fruit are allowed. I eat plain non-fat Greek yogurt which has more protein than regular yogurt, and I stick with lower carb fruits, like berries. I don't eat any pre-sweetened or fruit-added yogurts, and I avoid artificially sweetened anything, partly because I hate the chemical aftertaste, but also because the "sweet" taste makes me crave more sweets.

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7/7/12 9:01 P

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On the low carb plan I follow yoghurt and fruit are not low carb, and in fact they are both trigger foods for me - hence we are all different. :o)

I do have lots of low carb snacks though, or at least mostly for me these days just knowing they are there and I can have them any time I want to does the trick.
Cheese and cold meats (not the processed type) with cream cheese are great.
Cottage cheese is high in carbs as is milk and any milk products.
Cream is much lower.

I found the best way of checking the carb count is on the Spark counter, that way I know exactly what I am eating and drinking. It is amazing that some of the things are great if you are doing low cal - but have way too many carbs even to consider when we first start out.

SP is great though with giving the carb count of everything as well as the cal count. The only one I have found that is incorrect is smoked chicken - which I love. When I checked it out the carb count was very high, but in fact it is very little different to ordinary chicken which is zero. Ham is a little more depending on how it is cured and also bacon. But bacon and eggs in various ways is one of my favourite meals of the day, sometimes with a pure beef sausage. It is the fillers in many commercial ones that put the carb count way up.

It is all a learning process to see what works for you. emoticon

Edited by: -WISPY- at: 7/7/2012 (21:05)
"Give thanks for everything until you are absolutely sure it is not a blessing in disguise." Eastern Proverb.
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7/7/12 2:50 P

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If you have protein as your snack, you won't be as hungry. Try some yogurt or nuts, or a piece of fruit with low-fat cheese.

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7/7/12 2:37 P

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You are correct about needing less to eat. I don't eat anywhere the amount of food that I used to eat. I still have a problem, however, with snacking. If I am to overeat on my carbs, it will be because I was hungry and just had to have a snack. I am working on it by looking for snacks that will make me feel satisfied not want more.
Note of humor - at least to me ---- I have some friends that are diabetic and talk about how they have to watch what they eat all the time.
When we get together for cards, they always have Chex Mix, mini chocolate candies, cheese, and or crackers. The cheese I understand; the chocolate, chex mix, and crackers - I don't. I do not say a word - just smile. It just helps me be stronger and resist.

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7/7/12 2:30 P

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Thank you for the tips. I also am lucky in the fact that it is just me and my husband. He is very supportive of my efforts and success. If I fix a meal, there usually is very little carbs -- if he fixs a meal, you can bet there will be carbs, but he lets me pick and choose what I eat and doesn't say a word. We go out to eat at least twice a week. One is breakfast and the other is most always supper. Breakfasti is where I will splurge -- however, at the supper I try to eat carefully.

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7/7/12 4:33 A

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Although Betty (evefluffy) and I may do things a little differently this is because over time we have discovered what works for us as individuals. You will be able to do this as well.

I am so pleased you are enjoying the new lifestyle, it truly has been a Godsend to me and I stay firmly away from all the antagonism and articles and blogs that are caught up in the controversy. It does nothing for my peace of mind and nothing to help me lose weight.

I chose to try low carb (I am diabetic and have several other assorted medical conditons, I am 72). I have found that I do not need medication for diabetes and that I am gradually becoming able to either decrease or completely remove my other medications for BP, cholestorl etc. It has also helped fybromyalgia and IBS along with improving my energy levels.

So what other people think no longer concerns me.

I did find it difficult at first with no gluten products, they are so much a part of our lives, but oopsies fixed that problem for me - I have just had a great big juicy burger with cheese and mushrooms and the buns were oopsie buns. It was delicious, and the last thing I felt was deprived. The other thing is had I wanted another one I could easily have done so as the whole thing was only 4 carbs. But like Betty, I am finding that I really do not need all the things that I thought I did. I used to kind of feel deprived when on a diet, so always seemed to want to eat more than I was allowed to.

This low carb means we can indulge. I love salmon fish cakes and make those with a can of salmon, pureed cauliflower instead of potatoe and an egg to bind. they are just delicious and to have them fried in butter with no bad feelings is a big bonus for me. they are lovely with lemon and either a green salad, or wilted lettuce (quick fried for maybe a minute and just tossed. So sweet to eat. I also find red and yellow capsicums (bell peppers I think you call them) give colour and flavour to any dish and are so lo carb as are mushrooms, chives, dried garlic and onion and of course all herbs, seasonings and spices.

I only started mixing up the low carb and low cal because I do love fruit and veges, and this way I seem to be able to have the best of both worlds, I just do not combine them on the same days. If you do choose to try the cycling later on you need to do 2 or 3 days and no more on each system to keep your metabolism working well. It is the change about that seems to keep it on its toes. I also enjoy the free day when I can eat out and not worry about what I have. It is still amazing me that I am losing weight on this. But I think that is partially because I have been able to let go of some of the pills I was on.

So happy you have come to join us.

Wispy

PS Oh yes I meant to say like Betty I live alone and do not keep anything in the house that I cannot eat. Someone gave me a box of chocs the other week and I gave it to my housekeeper. I prefer to eat only dark chocolate or maybe have a little for dessert when I am out, but to have it is the house is like a red rag to a bull for me. :O)

Edited by: -WISPY- at: 7/7/2012 (04:35)
"Give thanks for everything until you are absolutely sure it is not a blessing in disguise." Eastern Proverb.
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"Be the change you wish to see in the world.." Mahatma Gandhi.
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"Quitters never win and winners never quit." Anon
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Make the decision to enjoy today. Do what you need to do for tomorrow - but live fully in TODAY.
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7/7/12 12:57 A

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Staying with the lower carbs gets easier as you go along. I do not keep things in my house that are carb foods - no cereals, no breads, no chips, oatmeal, potatoes, etc. So, that helps with the temptations under your roof. Now, let me say I'm NOT perfect, I do go on a splurge once in awhile, for instance today we were at a wine/food/art festival and I did eat some Ben & Jerry's ice cream, but just a small amount - nothing like I would have in the past.

The only fruits I use for the most part are some berries, but I try and work them in - if I'm having 50 for the day, half cup of most berries is about 15 or less, so then I just allow for that the rest of the day. My food plan and meals are pretty simple these days, I've gotten away from the idea that I have to have "balanced meals" and I don't have to cook for anyone except myself either. That does help.

I have also found that I don't need as much food as I used to think I needed, half a cup of berries instead of a cup, I do eat larger salads, but not humungous ones. I mainly work at getting adequate protein, about 65-75 grams per day- I used to think I "needed more", but found that I don't. If I get hungry in between (really hungry, not just think I want to eat) I'll eat half an ounce of cheese or something.

Edited by: KICK-SS at: 7/7/2012 (01:01)
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LOVINGMYSCALE Posts: 81
7/6/12 9:36 A

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I am amazed how low some of you have been able to keep your carb count. So far I have not accomplished that.
Do you find it difficult to keep the carbs low or does it seem easy for you?
It seems everything I look at has some carbs in it which really surprises me. Also, fruit is very high altho' I have been able to find some lower ones.
Great help - thank you all

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7/6/12 1:47 A

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My food program is pretty much like Wispy's - except I don't combine both types, I stay on the lower carb and have settled on an upper LIMIT of 50 carbs per day, but working to keep it closer to 30. Protein Power Lifeplan would be the closest in books I think. It seems to be working for me now that I've cut down the protein a bit and upped the fat. I think I was eating too much fat before, now I'm averaging around 60 grams per day - Percentage wise I'm working for 70-75% fat, 20-25% Protein and 5-10% carbs. And keeping overall calories at around 1200. If I stick to that ratio tho, I can eat a few more calories and still be okay.

I played around with several different programs, read several different books, then now have kind of devised my own plan.


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LOVINGMYSCALE Posts: 81
7/6/12 12:21 A

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Thank you for replying to my questions.
I have found that I still lose with dairy products and do limit myself to one caffeine coffee in the morning. After that I am trying to get in 8 glasses of water a day - altho I have to admit I don't always make it.
I am so excited about this whole new way of eating - and know that it is to become my new lifestyle. It feels good to finally figure out what works for me and what doesn't. I am beginning to gain more respect for myself now that I am succeeding at losing without depriving myself or being another "diet".
I had forgotten the fact that I could eat more calories as long as I keep my carbs low, so I will have to consider that fact from now on.
I will turn 65 in February and am hoping that I will reach my goal by then.

Thanks again everyone

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7/6/12 12:10 A

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Thanks for the information --- I have a lot to continue learning for a new way of life.

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7/5/12 9:23 P

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I do no calorie counting at all on low carb. It seems to be unneccesary. The thing to count is the carb intake. I started with 20 net carbs a day once I got over my induction period. I did not use Atkins as I am on a medical plan but they are both quite similar. 20 carbs is a base line and can discover for yourself whether you can lose on that or not. I find that eating lo cal I need to stick to 1000 cals in order to lose weight. With low carb I can eat double that amount of calories - but as long as it is low carb I can still lose weight. It is the carbs in our eating plans that seem to cause the weight to go on, or combining carbs with fat. Fat with meat does not cause any weight gain, although some people choose not to eat it. The South Beach Diet might suit you if you do not want to eat much fat.

I love cheese, eggs, butter and cream so I do have to watch eating too much of those in order to actually lose.

There are several different type of low carb eating plans, so for a start I would suggest you just pick one that you like the look of - so as not to get confused. Another one some people like it called South Beach. I do not know anything about it, but know that some people find it good.

The one I started with is very simple. It is eat all the meat, poultry, fish that you like. Eat it cooked any way that you like. Limit the veges to those that grow above ground - ie no root veges and only lemon juice and berry fruits. Unsweetened jelly, comes in all sorts of flavours. A little cream, cheese and eggs. No caffeinne.

I was losing about 2lb a week on this until I started including the dairy. I did not gain with dairy, but I found that I could not lose either. At least not in the quantities I was eating it. ;o)

It was a 4 week detox process to save getting your body into tizzy.
week 1 was off sugar
week 2 was off grains
week 3 root veges and fruit
week 4 caffeine.

At the end of week 4 you start the three month induction which is only on my particular induction programme.
This was what I needed to get myself off the carb addicition. The Atkins Diet, I think is similar but for a much shorter period of time. The beauty of it for me is that the cravings left completely and I was never hungry, because there was always something I could eat. Also there was no hassle about carb or cal counting with my plan. I just had to eat only the foods that were suggested and leave everything else alone. However the Atkins suits many people, especially for a start - but I do suggest doing the 4 week detox if you can - it is much more gentle than letting go of everything cold turkey.

The only thing I experienced any side effects with was letting go of the caffeine. It was the last thing to go and I had a headache for the first five days. I thought I would never be able to leave the coffee alone. But I switched to decaf and once I got through the first week it was fine. After the three months induction I gradually introduced a little whole meal bread, milk, root veges, fruit just to see what I could handle. It seems we are all different in this respect.

This was a great basis for me to really change my eating lifestyle, rather than just go on another diet. I have been on so many of those. (I am now 72). I started this over three years ago now and have found it wonderful. And I have kept the weight off and am also still losing. I have lost over 60lbs so far.

I have many recipes now, especially the Dr. Atkins oopsie rolls instead of bread, scones, pancakes etc. All the things I used to l ove, and the Atkins recipe is a very good substitute.
You can find it in the Atkins team, also in this team where I have written down several of my recipes and on Spark and even Google.

I now have developed a system that suits me very well called food cycling. I am getting to eat what I enjoy and also losing weight. I now know what I can eat to maintain as well, so it is all a wonderful ongoing journey.



Wishing you all success in reaching your goals.



Edited by: -WISPY- at: 7/5/2012 (21:41)
"Give thanks for everything until you are absolutely sure it is not a blessing in disguise." Eastern Proverb.
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"Quitters never win and winners never quit." Anon
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7/5/12 8:58 P

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Who told you not to go over 1000 calories? Most studies have shown that the minimum amount of daily calories a person should eat. Eating less than that will not ensure that you get the proper nutrients.

I would go back to the source of your information and verify it. Most low-carb plans don't even count calories.

As far as how many carbs an individual eats depends on the individual. Some need to be strictly low-carb, some can eat a higher carb program. When you stop losing, cut back on the carbs until you start losing again.

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7/5/12 8:22 P

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How many carbs do some of you try to limit yourselves too?

I was told to eat 75-100 grams of carbs,
80-100grams of protein,
and to try to not go over 1000 calories.

I have trouble eating my 100+ grams of protein, but have no trouble (ha ha) eating carbs.


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7/5/12 5:13 P

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Repeat after me...."I an not a carboholic, I am not a carboholic..."
I say that a million times a day! lol!

Quitting is NOT an option!


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The first couple of weeks are usually tough because you're changing long-held habits.

As you increase your protein intake, you'll find that you're less hungry, and the cravings will subside.


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Having a hard time keeping the carbs down.....I am a carbaholic!

God grant me the patience, knowledge and understanding to do the things I need to do.


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