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5/24/09 12:05 P

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Hi I'm new here, and interested in how the carbs work in diabetes. I've been going with the theory that weight loss is best triggered by reducing high glycemic index carbs. I am slowly losing weight (20 lbs-not as much as many of you have yet) with temporary plateaus when I am not as careful. I find that exercise makes little difference to the weight loss, but is really vital for fitness, energy levels and general mood balancing. If I exercise regularly, I have much better motivation to watch my food and to continue exercising. If I stop, so does everything else.

One book that influenced me was Good Calories; Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. There seems to be a research based movement in medicine to look at carbs rather than fat as the culprit in weight gain. Taubes traces the history of nutritional advice and the changes, assumptions and flaws that are present. Which explains why it is so confusing to talk to nutritionists and doctors--they are all on different pages.

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5/19/09 3:51 P

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My body is doing the same thing. In the beginning the exercise used to lower my blood sugar now when ever I exercise it seems to raise it. I went for a long walk with my daughter last night and when I came home BS was 103 before supper and after I exercised it was 183. Is it possible that our sugar could be going low while exercising and so our bodies kick out insulin driving our counts up? Just wondering...and does anyone else with diabetes suffer from depression and fits of rage? Not my normal disposition, rage might be too strong a word but irrationality might be more what I mean.

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Asked my doctor....no answer. Asked the nutritionist....no answer, but she did suggest testing my ketone levels and I started doing that today so no data to report. Asked the Physical Therapist....no answer. I have an appointment with the Diabetes Nurse Educator at my clinic on Monday. We'll see what she has to say. Maybe the answer is that there is no answer.
As long as BSL isn't staying elevated (it has never lasted more than 24 hours) and my keytone levels remain normal then what I'm doing, theoretically, shouldn't be harming me. Right??? LOL

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I do not know the answer to your question. I would ask my doctor or have him send me to a nutritionist. I am eating less and less and exercising more and more, but my blood sugars remain high. My endocrinologist has changed my insulin to Levimer 54 uts. in the morning and I was taking 10 uts. of Novolog at supper. The Novolog has since been increased to 14 uts. at supper. It seems like no matter how much we change or increase, I am unable to keep it within normal limits. Does anyone have any suggestions? emoticon emoticon emoticon

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Maybe I'm just dense but how does any of this explain why my blood sugar levels are going up after I exercise now? When I was swimming for many months my blood sugar stayed low. When I initially started doing cardio on a treatmill they were okay too. Then I started adding strangth training and increased my cardio from 30 to 40 minutes and suddenly my blood sugars went from around 100 way up to 150.
This seems to be the only way I'm going to be able to lose weight, but if I'm screwing with my blood sugars at the same time is it healthy for me to continue?

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5/12/09 7:56 P

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Genee....well put


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5/12/09 7:25 P

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Since long, long ago, man has lived through a succession of famines.

Some famines were just winters and we had, like the grasshopper, spent all our time picking berries and killing saber-tooth tigers (not many of those).

However, what we didn't do is store food away to help us survive these mini-famines (in all fairness,
Frigidaire and Whirlpool were not big names back then). At that point our bodies (smarter than our brains) started storing fat as the go-to for famines.

And that's the truth, according to Popeye!

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5/12/09 3:20 P

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Dear Geneeinabottle,

I like that answer. I never heard it put that way. The question I have is, why doesn't our bodies use the sugar first for energy then fat? emoticon

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I'm not sure if this answers the original questions, but last night one of the trainers at my gym explained that our bodies burn both sugar and fat when we work out because it uses them as fuel. To explain how it works she used this analogy:

If you have two pots on the stove, one with butter (fat) and one with granulated sugar (carbs) which will melt down first? Obviously the butter. And that is how our body works, pulling from the fat stores first. However, our body knows that it needs fat, and it will eventually pull back so as not to deplete the fat stores and start pulling energy from the sugars.

That is why when you exercise you need to workout for about 20 minutes before it starts affecting your blood sugar.

Not sure if this is what you are asking but I thought it was pretty cool when I learned it last night.

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No affront on my part~ you're right. I don't talk about religion much, it is a very private thing for me... remember that parable about the people who pray in public to be heard and admired? Good excuse for being shy, huh? LOL

Actually, thinking about and asking the questions is the only way to get answers~ so I'm always asking.

Sometimes too, I know the answer but ask the question anyway because I want someone else to discover things for themselves.

I believe that when we have a need, it is provided for us even when we don't always want what comes... we are sent lessons and questions~ and our answers are there for us inside that wonderful brain God gave us, if we will only go hunting for them...

We are all his Children, and are forever connected to the knowledge of the Universe... that which we believe IS real.

There are a lot of lessons to learn in life, and SP has been a wonderful tool~ and more to come, I'm sure! LOL

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Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But I don't think you have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too!


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Magic,

Absolutely NO disrespect intended because I don't know your religious beliefs, but for now, I think you are asking questions in Gods ability to answer.

However, I think He gave a brain for much more than to park at the top of our body. At some point, He might let "science" find out that information and let them help us control it.

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Just another question... The way I understand it (I could easily be wrong! LOL) our bodies store fat for a variety of reasons. The biggies are: as insulation against extreme temperature changes, as a way of dealing with an excess of ANY food group~ and as a response to perceived famine. That's where it gets tricky.

If we eat too much of ANYTHING... we get fat. If we don't eat ENOUGH... we can't lose the fat because our bodies/brains think the famine just got worse and hang on tighter to it... and is that why we lose water and muscle instead?

I was recently told by a renal nutrition specialist that I was not eating enough! (1200-1500 calories a day) And boy is it hard to increase the calories without increasing the protein or the carbs! LOL

Here's another question: If we give our bodies enough calories (including carbs from the right sources) at what point does our unconscious brain decide there is no more famine and we can finally lose the fat?

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Edited by: I.M.MAGIC at: 5/11/2009 (11:01)
"The real secret of success is enthusiasm..." thanks, Walter P. Chrysler. I believe it. That's what I want in my life--to give my imagination a chance, to live with energy and enthusiasm!
P.S. I looked up enthusiasm, and it says the root words mean God within... interesting...!

Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But I don't think you have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too!


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yeah, that sounds right. Sorry. LOL Kitty

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Water - H2O.

It is then filtered through your kidneys, then excreted.

However, remember you lose about 40% protein and about 60% fat if carbs are in short supply.

Exercise and keep up with your protein.

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Sorry - I'm thinkin' the Krebs cycle is it - the breakdown goes to carbon dioxide and ... something. But not glucose, so no rise in blood sugar. emoticon
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your body will use carbs as fuel if it has them, and fat if it doesn't have carbs. But it still needs a small amount of carbs even when it it burning fat, to fuel the brain, I believe. So it can break down any protein to create the carbs it needs, which is how very low carb diets work.


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I agree with the fat - fuel answer

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5/10/09 3:14 P

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check this out
http://www.faqs.org/nutrition/Met-Obe/Me
tabolism.html
I do not believe fat can be converted to carbs.. I think it will either be stored as fat or used as fuel

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I think this is a good question for Coach Tanya. COACH TANYA. . .where are you? Can you help us?

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I have a weird question, maybe it has a logical answer and it's just too early on a Sunday morning for me to think of it. Here it goes, don't laugh at me..

When we eat too many carbs our blood sugar levels rise, if our bodies cannot use the carbs they are converted and stored as fat. When we are exercising and losing weight (fat) does the same thing happen in reverse? By what process does the fat get pulled out of our fat cells to be used by our bodies as energy and during this process is the fat converted back to carbs somehow? Would this create a temporary raise in blood sugar levels?

Any ideas? Please don't make me go look up the Kreb cycle!

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